Obama is scary. The guy is totally incompetent and inexperienced, but he’s being presented like he’s the second coming of Christ. I’m voting for mccain.

I will vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils.

MCcain has the chops for the job and will make great changes. Also all should take into consideration that Mcain had the opportunity to leave that Prisoner of war camp in Vietnam,because his father pulled some strings Mcain chose to stay with the other U.S. soldiers. MCcain has guts ,courage and can not be compromised. Obama has some deep dark roots(do your research) that are severeley questionable. I happen to beleive he is the on ramp for terrorism into our great country. Also look at what countries are donating money to his campaign via pay pal. It is terrifying!

I support Obama.

We definitely do NOT want America to be an “OBAMA-NATION”.

Not only will he increase Big Government (TAKE from the industrious to GIVE to the irresponsible… bad for investors); but the moral climate will suffer seriously with his support of Programs and Practices that promote immoral, lewd-and-against-nature activity, and death to the innocent unborn.

McCain is the better, higher choice.

First of all enough of this party crap. It’s the best person for the job no matter republican or democrat. If you vote just because the candidate is a party affiliate then you are totally unAMERICAN.
Also, you need to vote not because it’s going to be good for you yourself, it helps, but what is good for the country as a whole.
The idiot in office now has ruined our country and no matter who gets in office it will be a challenge.
This country cannont take another 4 yrs. of Bush antics.
For instance, McCain wants to open drilling in the Gulf; what about the Bekkan Reserve field in the northwest and central US up to Canada. Reports show that there are more reserves there than Alaska, etc.
Why give the oil companies what they want?
This country is, in case you forgot, “FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE” not the oil companies and lobbyists.

VOTE “OBAMA”.

I agree, the lesser of two evils. Gov. hasn’t a clue to begin
with, so we don’t need someone with little to no experience…
Democrat for McCain!

I cannot vote for Obama. He’s a socialist.

I am not happy with McCain nor the Republican party for their massive screw-ups. I don’t want Obama elected, so I must vote for McCain. If I vote for some 3rd party candidate, that will just fragment the votes and give Obama a chance to win (remember the year 2000 election how the Democrat vote was split?).

I certainly hope that McCain will choose a Reagan-type vice president to keep him true to conservative values, unlike Pres Bush who abandoned conservative values when he was sworn into office (I mean *both* Pres Bush — father and son).

There are no good choices. However, I consider Obama to be the worst choice and none of the third party candidates have a chance so, McCain gets the vote.

Based on experience alone and who has the best overall qualifications to hold the position of President, McCain has my vote.
Based on character and integrity, in my opinion Obama has a shady past and has surrounded himself with shady anti-American people. McCain put his life on the line for our country.
If the records in the news are true, Obama will increase taxes across the board. I believe we need to pay taxes, these funds pay for national security, infrastructure, etc. But to increase our taxes exponentially? Our congress needs to cut back on spending, thin out the number of politicians on the payroll, reduce their life long benefits that the average Joe and Jane in the USA has to pay for out of pocket, etc. We don’t need a President that will promote killing our incomes with excessive taxes. We already pay excessive taxes.
I’m voting for McCain. All of those people considering Obama should really do their research and see what detrimental effect he would have on our country overall.

This is really comical. Most people here say that Obama scares them? Really? Why? Because he didn’t grow up in the suburbs of America? Because he doesn’t look like you? Obama has a diverse background, which is one of the things that makes him an excellent candidate to run this country. He has the unique fortune of having seen the world through different perspectives. Our country is no longer a field of white lilies, but rather a cornucopia of different colors and hues.

There is also some crazy idea that McCain has more experience than Obama. My question is: experience doing what? He definitely has more experience at being a politician, but the last thing we need in the White House right now is another good-old boy politician. Somebody please tell me what McCain has done with all of his years of experience. What differences has he made? Whose lives has he changed for the better? I don’t care about experience, I care about results. I believe that’s the reason why there is no experience qualification for the job of President. Being an experienced politician, does not mean you will be a good President. Just look at our past Presidents as proof.

Lastly, please stop saying that McCain will be tougher on terrorism because he served in the military. I really don’t see the coorelation. Especially since McCain spent most of his time in a POW camp. Why do we celebrate him for getting captured by the enemy? Isn’t the idea of war to not get captured? Sounds like he screwed up to me.

I’ve refrained from commenting thus far today, but that last paragraph makes it clear you have a complete lack of understanding of war and a disregard for the soldiers who protect your freedoms. I’ll say no more presently than it is a shameful thing to mock this type of experience. Shame on you. — Bryan Ellis

I think Obama understands that the reason the rest of the world wants to fly our planes into our own towers is because of our politics. We are despised by the rest of the world because we force our ideals and policies on lesser countries, all because of money. The only reason I believe we blew up Iraq, is so that Bush could send all of his boys over there to rebuild it. Do your research on that, and look up “no-bid contracts” and Halliburton while you’re at it. Those guys are making billions rebuilding that country, while our soldiers are dying. It’s truly criminal.

So vote for who you want. That’s your right. But don’t try and make me think that you’re afraid of Barack Obama. Bush is the real terrorist. His terrorism is well documented, so if you weren’t afraid of him, than Barack certainly shouldn’t strike any fear into your hearts.

Shame on me, Bryan? What is shameful is to call a man a terrorist simply because his skin is brown, and his middle name is Hussien. What is shameful is to suggest that people not vote for a candidate simply because he might cost you a few more percentage points in taxes, and possibly upset your comforatable way of life.

Yes, absolutely shame on you, Anthony. You’ve continued to make your own ignorance abundantly clear. This has nothing to do with your political affiliation, because as you can see, I’ve gladly allowed everyone to express their opinions. My only commentary has been on you, and it’s because you’re acting like a fool. The above paragraph is a perfect example. Nobody has called Obama a terrorist because his skin is brown and his middle name is Hussein. The reality is that you WISH that someone had said. I think it’s quite telling that the word “race”, nor any references to race, happened until you made your post. Don’t be so sensitive about race. The rest of us aren’t. — Bryan Ellis

Is that all you care about…how much money you can keep in your pockets? Do you care about all of the people that are losing thier homes, or the people without health care? Do you really care about the soldiers dying in Iraq, or about the thousands of workers that are being laid off every month?

I apologize if I offended anyone with my comment about John McCain’s service history. I admit that it may have been over-the-top. But I won’t apologize for stating the facts that McCain’s military service does not make him more qualified to defend this country than Obama. Being a POW does not make you a superior military strategist. It just doesn’t. Being a politician for 30 years also doesn’t make you qualified to be President. It just doesn’t.

I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what John McCain has actually done in Washington in the last 30 years. Is the country a better place because of his Senatorial service? Is the world a better place? Hell, is Arizone or Washington, DC a better place?

Service without positive results is just service. Give him a gold watch and a pension, and tell him to go sit down somewhere. This country needs a new direction, and a new vision. You may not think that Obama offers those things, but you certainly can’t believe that McCain does. He’s just more of the same old same old.

If you go back to 1913 with the passing of the Federal Tax System, come forward through the 1930’s, 1960’s and the 1990’s you will find that every devistating social and economic program that has been enacted is a result of Liberal (Socialistic) politics. If you have a knowledge of economics, history, The Constitution and politics in general, you do not want a Liberal in the White House.
The thing that is scary about Obama is he is the most Liberal politician to ever be nominated by the Democratic Party. The Democrats are all pretty scary if you study their history. Socialists like Obama are in direct opposition to the free enterprise system we as RE investors work under. If youi want an end to Capitalism, just keep voting for Democrats.

As I read all of these entries I notice one thing in common, it seems more or less everyone is “scared” of Obama and would rather “play it safe” with McCain. I can not say definitely one way or the other but I can say this, you should never vote for someone in spite of the other candidate. Look at what the individual will do for our country, not your bank account.

Glad I can’t be drafted.You McCain voters must like the COLD of Russia. I hope you adore fighting in World War III. McCain, Russ, Lavinn, Hannity will send you fools to War but will not lead the troops. I guess with their millions they can go to a netural country and enjoy their money while YOU die for their foolishness. Owning real estate after a nuclear explosion? I’m sure it will be worth a lot? You guys keep following these jerks…Don’t think for yourselves. That’s too diffcult.

With 143 days served in Congress I don’t think Obama would have found the washroom yet.

Yes, Anthony taxes are a big part of what matters to me. I’m an RE investor wannabe. I bust my tail delivering food for a major food distributor. Quite frankly I would love to be able to take home my WHOLE paycheck. I could probably make ends meet a lot better. When you say “Is raising taxes really going to put any of us in the poor house” I would offer that yes it could. Today we are overtaxed in my opinion. Between Federal Income, State Income, Sales Taxes FICA Social Security (that we are not guarenteed to get back at retirement) Medicare/Medicaid. That’s just what is withheld from peoples paychecks. Then we have Gift tax, Real Estate taxes, Inheritence taxes, Marriage penalty, Personal Property Tax, Fuel taxes. That’s just a short list. How many more taxes do we need? I’ll tell you we don’t need anymore. Any candidate that will work to lower these or better yet reform the tax system i.e. The Fair Tax. will get my vote. This candidate most likely be McCain (The Lesser of the evils) Sorry for stepping on anyone’s toes but I take Great offense to anyone suggesting that we don’t pay enough taxes.

I have researched Obama’s qualifications, and find that he has none. His past is not just scary, but anti-American. I don’t get how you all future investors, who believe in the free enterprize system can ignore all of the socialist changes planned by the Democratic Party and Obama, and see that such changes will be helpful to any entreprenuer.
I am not a big McCain fan, but I don’t see how I can continue to have success as an investor with the current plans of Obama and his party.

Toby,

1992 Surplus….

A President that can achieve a Budget Surplus A YEAR BEFORE he becomes President is surely what we need! Clinton was a good one wasn’t he?

George Bush Senior (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)

Great Historian! I’m sure you can tell us where you got your Stats? I’m sure they are completely accurate. Why would we doubt?

Maybe Obama could go ahead and do some Liberal magic like that before he hopes to be elected!

** He has given people faith that change is possible– regardless of what that “change” may represent. **

Yeah, who cares what “change” takes place…as long as change occurs. What a riot!

** Especially since McCain spent most of his time in a POW camp. Why do we celebrate him for getting captured by the enemy? Isn’t the idea of war to not get captured? Sounds like he screwed up to me. **

I, too, am repulsed by this comment. Anthony, my suggestion to you is that you walk the path John McCain has walked and then make that statement again. If Obama wins, you may get the chance because terrorists may soon be on our shores. Obama’s an appeaser.

I agree with Anthony that internment in a POW camp doesn’t necessarily qualify someone to be President of the United States except that the experience does give him a unique understanding of what it means to lose one’s freedom, a principal for which he will fight long and hard and that created who we need at the head of government. Government’s first responsibility is to protect its citizenry from enemies foreign and domestic. I do not believe Obama when he says he will fight terrorism. In fact, I think Obama has ties to terrorism, however unwittingly. Time will tell, but I’m not willing to take the risk, so I’m not voting for him.

I love political discussions, but the trouble with them is most people only focus on the NOW. You need to go back 70 or 80 years to get the full flavor of a Political Party. Remember all candidates are in their party because they more closely believe in their party philosophy than the other.
If you study the philosophy of Liberals, it WILL scare the hell out of you. Liberals believe Socialism is the answer to everything. They want the government to control all aspects of your life, which is good for the politicians, but very bad for the people.
Unfortunately some people have bought into the Liberal philosophy, and we are slowly selling this country down the path of:

Capitalism to Socialism to Communism…

Read the “Communist Manifesto” and you will discover the Liberal Playbook.

Let’s put this way I live in AZ where mccain is our senator, and if you look come to Az, you will find out how bad the school systems are, how bad pay is, you know that AZ is the worst paying job market in the unite states, are you aware of that bryan? have you lived in AZ? If you haven’t then you need to take a real good look at mccain and just as the gentleman has ask what has Mccain done, I will tell you when it comes to Az A Big Nothing, Also keep in mind AZ has on of the worst housing markets in the united states, and also my Wife works for the school system in AZ, and we are last when it comes to education, and the only reason Mccain got in the senate here is because this is a snow bird state and for you that don’t know what that is that is a place in the past and also still today where people of retirement age would go to stay in a better climate becasue of the health problems, and when the season ended then they would go on there marry way. Before you think mccain is the best of the worst evils you need to come on down to AZ and see what it is like which is a state that he is a sentor in.

Doug,

The years listed are the years that the gentleman were elected to office. The dollar amount listed represents the deficit/surplus at the end of their terms.

If you can only make accusations and rant about “Liberal magic”, then you must not have a good argument for electing McCain…

Doug,

My comment was self-explanatory. By “they”, I meant the many of Americans that stated they would not vote for a Black man as President. “They” could be white, black, brown or whatever. Their color doesn’t really matter. What matters is that in this day and age, many people don’t think a man of color is capable of being President of the United States of America.

And what morals are you speaking about? When I look for moral role models, I don’t look to Washington to find them. There are example after example of many cases of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, sexual abuse, sexual perversity, money laundering, stealing, lying, bribing, and the list could go on forever. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a Democrat or Republican. The people we have representing us in Washington, should not be used as morality guidelines.

If you want to compare the morality of the two candidates, I’m guessing Obama would come out on top. They both seem like fine people to me, but McCain appears to have a more sorted past. He had extra-marital affairs while married to his first wife, one being his current wife Cindy. His wife Cindy has also struggled with drug addiction. I’m sure that Obama has been no saint, and he’s indicated as much. I just don’t think that you judge a candidate on morality, because we never really know what a person is involved in. Just look at what Newt Gingrich went though, and what John Edwards is going through now.

Usually when Republicans speak of morality, they’re often referring to two things: abortion and homosexuality. As a Christian, it is not my responsiblity to force morality on the rest of the world. Am I against abortion? Yes. Do I support the right for a woman to do what she wants with her body? Yes.

All we can do is to educate people so that they hopefully will make intelligent decisions. Not regulate their choices, based on our own codes that we live by. We have been doing that in America for many years, and the world hates us for it.

All I know is that all the changes that I hear him talk about will crash the economy and weaken the country. If elected the day he proposes his capital gains tax increase, what do you think will happen to the stock market?

How Long Does USA Have?
Who want’s to go into business then have the profits taxed away to pay for demo-craps votes?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

Pa. was lost to the demo-craps because of Philadelphia & Pittsburg. What big giveaway city in your state gave the demo-craps a win?

Though I’m certainly not one of them, I’m going to have to insist you give more respect to our Democrat friends than to refer to them as you have. — Bryan Ellis

I was just giving them the kind or respect that they give to our PRESIDENT!

I was invited to comment on this blog by Bryan Ellis himself, and now he has the nerve to call me a fool and an idiot. What a helluva host you’ve turned out to be, Bryan.

Anyway, I’ve already apologized for the McCain POW comment, so I’m not going into that again. I will say that my comment is no more foolish than the other comments on here stating that Obama is scary, anti-American and a terrorist. I didn’t see you call any of those people fools, Bryan. I guess the only people that are fools in your eyes, are the ones that don’t agree with you.

Wrong-o, mi amigo. I’ve not responded to anything on this page that I disagreed with, save only your unprovoked foray into racist accusations. I’m very specific when I choose to be insulting. — Bryan Ellis

I also didn’t call anyone on this board a racist, Mr. Ellis. That would be a lie on your part. What I said was that racism still exist in America, and there is no denying that fact. Racism may not exist in your suburb, because probably everyone there looks like you do. But trust me, in other more diverse parts of the country, racism is alive and kicking.

If you guys want to vote for McCain, go right ahead. If memory serves me correctly, in 2000 you chose Bush over McCain then. We all know how that turned out. If McCain wasn’t your 1st choice then, what makes him so qualified now?

Republicans aren’t really voting FOR McCain. They’re actually just voting AGAINST Obama. Nobody really wants McCain to be President. But if he wants to protect their comfortable way of life, than Republicans are all for it. After all, Democrats just want to raise taxes and give all your money to those lazy people in the projects, right?

The greedy & selfish views on this board disgust me. Bush said that we went to Iraq to enforce democracy and liberate a people. He indicated that those people deserved a better way of life. So we can spend trillions to help people in another country, but we can’t pay a few more points in taxes to help our own people right here?

Bryan, what do you actually stand for? Really, what do you stand for? You seem more interested in protecting your wallet, than you are about protecting this country. I may be a fool buy you’re a coward.

The word “coward” has a meaning, Anthony. Would you like to define how it is that I’m cowardly? — Bryan Ellis

Okay, I see some talk about Deficits, GDP and the two major parties. Not much substance or demonstration of knowledge about any of it by some of the writers.

To all that think the Dems have done such a good job with the economy-take a class in Macro-economics and monetary history. You will be totally surprised. When you correlate the position of the President and the congress with spending you find a very disturbing trend, no totally frightening trend. One good example was Reagan, signed the biggest tax reduction in history. The Dem congress then implemented one of the largest increases in spending to make up for that. The same thing has happened over and over through the modern history of this country.

It isn’t the President that submits the budget!!!! It is congress!!!!

IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL SPENDING CONTROL CONGRESS!!! They are the ones responsible for the deficit. The president has very limited control over this.

I don’t have enough time or space to really go into this here, it would take several pages and numerous supporting documents. I also don’t think it is going to change anyone’s mind unfortunately, facts seldom do.

So bottom line I will go McCain for one obscure reason. He does not support Pork Barrel spending nor is he a fan of entitlements. Obama hasn’t seen one he doesn’t support, take and give it all away is his plan of change. Add up his spending proposals and be prepared to be poor no matter how wealthy you might have been.

Pelosi and Reid keep lowering the definition of wealthy and it won’t be very much longer till the lower economic class will considered wealthy by their standards. Don’t believe me look at adjusted for inflation cost of living, wages and spending power since the 60’s. It will paint an interesting picture that isn’t very pleasant. The main reason we are so prosperous in this country and much of the world is because we have made so many thing extremely cheap to buy. Guess what has made much of this cheaper, energy. Take away the low priced energy and our economy will collapse over night.

So if you want to spend hours learning how all this works and what is going on behind closed doors, don’t go to a college and think you will learn this go to the library and get a lot of books and start reading. Read history, economics and political corruption books. Also read about histories dictators, facists, and marxists. The speaches will shock you out of your socks. Bottom line be prepared to be sad.

So I will support McCain and will work against Obama, Pelose, Reid and the other Socialist running for power and more power.

Chris

guess we will have a tough decision.. two candidates who are not ideal for running this country again..! IMO I would not vote for either of these truth hiding comealeons ( excuse spelling )color changers.. I would be voting for RON PAUL i think he tells it the way it is.!! and thats whet we need.. Cant wait till the people realize what we need is the one who tells the most truth and lets the people decide whats right for the country.. not what they want or false promises.. or changing their tune when the wind blows.. Come Back Ron Paul!! we wait for you!! 4 yrs to go..

What happened to Ross Perot..? cant he just bail us out and give him a tax break!! - id rather chosse him at this point!!!

Looks like itll have to be McCain tho this time around!!! after all he served our country like no other!! But

if we want to get Osama Bin Laden, maybe we should get OBAMA - so once he’s in he can call out in the mountains, Osama this is Obama.. you can come out now!! Im President.. NOT!!!!

Guess I’ll vote McCain!!

I’m another one of those people that almost never posts, but I just have to put in my two cents.

I’m consistently astounded by seemingly smart people who continue to pass judgment and make decisions based on mis-information, hearsay, and unfounded “facts”.

I like Bills comment about political parties. Bill, Obama is not the Democrat of 70 years ago just as McCain is not the Republican of 70 years ago. Each has values that tend to favor one party or the other, but they also split on many issues. That is why no one seems to wholly agree with either.

Obama has ties to terrorism? I’m sorry, more than the USA already does? We’ve certainly funded more than our share of terrorists and “bad” dictators through cash and arms deals, drugs, oil, and US as well as international companies that do business with them - hello, Osama bin Laden anyone?

Republican “Tax Relief”? I don’t need to restate Larry’s post (who I absolutely agree with) - and Bryan, I think that people should look things up themselves instead of relying on blog comments. I’m pleased that you cite where your information comes from, but why didn’t you jump on all the other people who posted their comments and “facts” to give their citations?

That’s a fair question. The honest answer is two-fold: (1) I only work on this blog for a small percentage of my time, so I can’t always get to it immediately; and (2) This particular post has gotten so much attention that I’ve had difficulty keeping up with the comments. But I’ll try to do better — Bryan Ellis

Do you realize we pay less taxes than in Europe and Canada?
Canada, by the way Keith, has 2 languages and may not be perfect, but certainly hasn’t failed.
I would rather pay more for taxes and see it used correctly, than less taxes and have it spent on “pork”. How quickly we forget about $1500 army toilets, bridges in Alaska, Haliburton, etc, etc. And the trillions of dollars spent, and the lives lost for other countries and wars while Americans suffer here at home…

I agree, I hate to see my hard earned money pay for “lazy” people to live. But that’s a failure of our government programs and those who run them. They need to be restuctured, but people still need aid and hope. Not everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps all themselves - no man is an island.

Our government needs to be revamped and streamlined - it is a bloated pig that gives itself raises, it’s friends no-bid inflated contracts, and lots of time off. We are lied to and have bad policies re framed so that we will nod our heads in agreement and follow like sheep. The Iraq War, The War on Terrorism, Clean Air Act, No Child Left Behind, Tax Relief.

We pay less for gas than in any industrialized nation.
Japan has more stringent emission standards and MPG requirements than the US.
We already have the capabilities to move forward and improve on how we use our resources. But that wouldn’t be good for the automobile companies and the gas companies that fund our government.

Talk about job growth - what if businesses were actually building wind farms, ocean current farms, etc. There is lots of opportunity in ecco friendly solutions.

Our children have steadily fallen behind in educational scores compared to Asian countries, European countries, and India? - thanks “No Child Left Behind”. But who wants to pay for education with higher taxes… I’ll just pay $35K per child, per year for private school.

We lead the world with our pollution and greenhouse gases - although China sure is giving us a run for our money.

As far as experience goes… Who cares? Bush Jr. has lots of experience failing companies. It’s not necessarily what YOU know, but surrounding yourself with people who DO know. Another thing Bush was good at NOT doing. Now he can add the USA to his roster.

I want to see results. Maybe I should say, “good results”. ROI. I haven’t seen any from McCain. I expect more of the same. You can’t keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

I really want someone like McCain who doesn’t know who we’re at war with and admits he has no experience with the economy. Plus, just because he fought in a war doesn’t mean he has any idea about military strategy or leading for that matter.

As far as Capitol Gains Taxes go… There are always loopholes, shelters, 1031 exchanges, and oh yeah, paying your fair share. Maybe the problem is the people and businesses that manage to get out of paying what they owe makes it so that working people who don’t have tax shelters and CPA’s and doctored books need to make up for them.

The economy and real estate are in a correction. It needs to happen. Let it happen. Rip the band-aid off. The more it’s prolonged by bail outs and interest rate cuts the longer it will take. Everything looks up when you’re at the bottom.

So who is better for investors? Well McCain. I mean screw the people, the environment, the economy… we need lower taxes(for the rich). Who will pay for our deficit? Will we have a habitable planet? Will we have food and clean water? I dunno. I guess my kids will have to worry about that.

I live in a state that votes largely Democrat. I am not espoused to either party but lean to and have largely (not wholly) voted for Republicans. My spouse is a licensed professional union member who is unemployed 9 months now.

If we are going to talk about stimulating the economy - specifically encouraging the Real Estate market, how about this train of thought? (I am referencing the largest portion of the population here):

1. We increase dependency programs for people - no matter what party is in office when the programs are made active.
2. People use the programs out of at least temporary need, and may become dependent on them making it unrealistic for them to be eneded (if there wasn’t a sunset on them to start which is uncommon)without major impact to the economy and the constituent using them. Examples: CPR farm program, welfare and unemployment, social security not to mention current so-called “bailouts”. At least 3 out of 5 of these encourage dependency and keeping them active long-term - social security [which likely won't be there when I reach "retirement" age] even before it is used.
3. The programs are supported with taxes paid by the people (I think some people actually forget this) who work, hopefully keeping enough for themselves to feel they have reaped the benefits of having worked.
4. Tax increases make both more dependent people on the system, and support the programs to be dependent on.
5. All people groups pay more taxes and all have less disposable income.
6. People with “not enough income” to live the dream and no one educating them how to break out and step off of the treadmill are in a constant struggle and may have one or both of the following happen: Have expected (tax increases), and unexpected life events happen (who doesn’t have these and thus the term “unexpected”) they can’t compensate enough financially for and they fall behind on payments for a home or for rent.
7. (These) People are renters who will be moving, or they are homeowners who will be renters or people in the market for a new (smaller) home (moving).
8. Result: Unending opportunity for Real Estate Entreprenuers.
All of these people keep Entrepreneurial and Professional Real Estate people in business.

The difference between the “independently wealthy” and the “treadmill” wage earner is not courage or determination, but exposure to opportunity, specific education (including to recognize opportunity) and choices. You can’t legislate this. To join all people to a similar financial and social group with programs, we have socialism which just plain doesn’t work in reality. I don’t see our entire population getting off the treadmill, so the Real Estate Entrepreneur and Professional will always have an income source.

Having said all this, it seems the democrats always talk about being pro-worker, and not raising taxes on the campaign trail while they tout government helped programs for people (one of which our family is using now) while they are (very much) endorsed by the labor unions. These things don’t seem compatible do they? Side-note: The extension on unemployment in our current national situation came fast and during this republican presidential term.

The republicans are NOT typically endorsed by the labor-unions and therefore NOT the labor-union worker (doing what they are told), and are attributed with supporting (big) businesses who give the wage-earner his job. The Real Estate Professionals (Agents, Mortgage Brokers etc.) are either working for a business or are a business (RE Brokers, Mortgage Brokers, Investors and others).
The knowledgeable will pay fewer taxes no matter what where that is possible.

The going thought is that Obama will be impacting the taxes that close the gap more - which is socialism which again, just doesn’t work. I am for stimulation of businesses (and entrepreneurialism) to provide less unemployment for those who want to work for a wage. I suppose encouraging more programs, and raising taxes could have the effect of making it so hard for the wage-earner that s/he is forced to consider entrepreneurialism en masse but then who will do the adminstrative and labor-intensive work?

There will always be a business in Real Estate and enough income to go around for the creative. This coming from someone who ran hard out of the gates, and has been beat up by more than 4 hardships in under 2 years including the down-turned real esate market. I lost some of my courage and determination for the independently wealthy path (in Real Estate) as an under-educated and under-mentored person with some major (*unexpected) punches, but am gaining it back because there is hope in Real Estate and Entrepreneurial efforts in general. *Mike Tyson - “You always have a plan until someone punches you.”

To not fractionalize by voting for a 3rd party, I will be voting McCain.

While the flood of opinions and ensuing debates on this topic doesn’t surprise me, the reaction of Bryan Ellis does. I know your initial question was who will be better for RE investors, but you should have anticipated it would become much more.

How irresponsible of you to first open up a political debate that extends far beyond relevance of the site, but then you get emotionally pulled in yourself! We all have an opinion, but in your position as site moderator/advisor, don’t you think you should exude a bit more objectivity, professionalism, reserve and couth? I mean really…name-calling? I’m all for a healthy debate…until it turns childlike, personal, and petty.

I certainly don’t agree with everything Anthony posted, but many of the posts are border-line, if not blatantly, blasphemous. Yet you’ve allowed them, half-heartedly chastising some so you don’t appear biased.

Really? What gives you the opinion that I’m trying to appear unbiased? I made it very clear in the post at the top of this page where I stand, and I did it before everybody else. I’ll be voting for McCain, period. If you take offense at the fact that I require those who comment to refer to Democrats using their proper name, that’s unfortunate for you because I do think everyone should get a basic level of presumed respect. — Bryan Ellis

For the record, I’m leaning toward McCain, but my vote will not be based on any ONE aspect of a candidate’s platform, but rather a cumulative appraisal. If only there were more posts like those from Bev and Matt, this forum could actually be constructive.

Thanks for your comments, Candace. Just for the record, I’ve never claimed to be objective. I’m a “benevolent dictator” :-). But you’ve got to admit - I’ve totally steered clear of getting involved in this discussion, except for the utterly ridiculous comments of one person. Nevertheless, thanks for letting

I believe the children are our future teach them well and they will lead the way. we certainly haven’t done well. the world is a hot mess, and it ism’t all the presidents fault. He is one person, it takes everyone to make a difference. when something goes wrong stop blamming the goverment. the people at fault are those who are in the world doing nothing about it. we need to start taking resposibility for our actions, including the president, who is most responsible, who has the most influential ways of getting things done. we the people need to stop writting on the blogs and start getting out there and doing something about it, write letters to the congress, standing together as a nation and fighting for what we want. What if the world stood there and said we don’t like our choices that have been given, and no one voted would they give us more choices?????this will not happen just a thought I feel the same thing happened when clinton got elected. no other choice. Why is it that we have them to choose from??? can anybody honestly if their heart say either one of these people are perfect for the job?
probably not from what I’ve been reading, Black white indifferent it really doesn’t matter at this point. if people are so for obama because he is a democrat then why didn’t they vote for Hillary, she has experience running the country, more then either of these canidates, I fell she ran it when clinton was there,my thoughts, she is democrat, anything great happen? healthcare reform some think this is great others not so great? anything else? is there still homeless people, is there still people out there on drugs we need to educate educate,educate…….like I said it all starts with the children who knows one of them may be able to pull us out someday

I do not think that by voting for the less of the two evils will be better. I do not agree that continue mediocre is better.

I’m voting for Obama - If Obama wins and lets the country down will not vote for him again.

Jim, I’d like to Thank You for your service to our country. I think your comments are right on target. In fact I think there are a lot of good points made by most of the bloggers on here. Anthony, I can appreciate your point of view. I can also say that I too do not like the way we have “Class Divisions” in America, and I actually share your view that we need to do a better job in the U.S.A to “take care of our own” so to speak. But to say that we need to pay more in taxes to pay for those who do not want to work for it quite frankly worries me. I realize there are people who are actually in need of assistence, and should get it. I to am a Christian, and if I had the wealth, I sure would spread it around on my own. But I am repulsed by the Robin Hood Mentality. Just because Donald Trump & Bill Gates are worth billions does not mean that I expect them to give me any of it. (Although I would appreciate it greatly)lol. And I don’t like the government taking it from me either to spend how they choose whether constructively or not. The person I would have liked to see nominated was Mike Huckabee Strictly for his stance on “The Fair Tax”. I think that tax reform should be a high priority in the campaign. The Fair Tax might be a good solution. Like anything else I’m sure it would have bugs to be worked out. This may shock you but as I figure it I would be psying more under The Fair Tax than I do now. Why then you ask would I be willing to do that? Well under that system EVERYONE is treated FAIRLY. There would be no more “Underground Economy” and The “Rich” would pay pay effectively more tax because they could buy more. And with the Prebate checks coming to those in poverty they should be able to afford the new way of taxation. If you want to do the research go to fairtax.org. Bryan you don’t have to post this if you don’t want to. I know it’s kinda off subject. Just wanted to explain myself better.

P.S. Under the fair tax their would be no loopholes as Matt has pointed out. The entire tax system as we know would be gone and replaced with an effctive rate 23% of everything NEW that we buy.

Wow! LOT of comments on this one. Imagine that!

I will vote for Obama. He has the intelligence, insight and foresight, diplomatic tendency and therefore capacity we so desperately need after eight years of what I call the Marlboro man diplomacy and antics of our commander-in-chief. The last thing we need is McBush, who has no shame in stating his continued support of a war in which we have no fight. And, considering the state of our economy, the last thing we need is a long term commitment to spend what was 7.4 million dollars per hour in 2004 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-26-iraq-war-clock_x.htm).

Anyone but Bush should have worked in 2004. I am foolishly optimistic it will, this time.

Historical note, back in 1991 after the civil war in Somalia, over 300,000 people died of starvation due to mainly to a warlord named Aidid who used food as a weapon to control the people. 1st Bush sent in troops with the UN as peacekeepers to help distribute food to the starving masses and stop the fighting. Aidid was continually attacking UN troops because they were threatening his power, and massacred 24 pakistani troops. Aidid was now the target of a UN manhunt for “those responsible”. Former president Carter, attemps unsuccessfully to negotiate with aidid, and later during an attempt to apprehend him, US troops are engaged in mogadishu in a 17 hour battle. 18 US soldiers are killed and 84 injured. Over 300 Somalis are killed. President Clinton decides to cut his losses and pull out completely and abandon the search for Aidid. Here is a critical point that some will argue. When we got hurt, even though we won this battle, we pulled out. This one event, by Clinton, showed the world that we had no stomach when we got a bloody nose and directly insulted those who had won that very tough battle by pulling out. Afterwards, Aidid realizing our weakness, was implicated in many terrorist attacks, some against US embassies, at one time killing 253 civilians and wounding over 4000. Although Aidid died later, the area still had a major involvement in terrorist activities up until recently. My point is, Clinton had no guts and only took action against terrorism to get the spotlight off the Lewinsky affair, after whitewater had settled down. We need somebody in the office of President, that can make the tough choices. The soldiers dont want to be over there fighting, we would prefer to be home with our families, but we also know that to show that we have no stomach for a fight, only brings the fight closer to us and puts our families more at risk.

Well, it’s unfortunate that neither party will nominate the best candidate for President. There were better choices on both sides. Therefore I’ll have to vote for the most conservative candidate (McCain) as the history of the Democratic party is Socialism and the history of the Republicans is mostly Capitalism.
The individual who becomes President is not as important as the philosophy of the party. If some of you have Socialistic tendencies, Cuba is looking for some extra people.

Well put, Anthony.

I will never forget in a previous life as a phone technician when I entered a very nice family’s home to service their trouble ticket. They were soooo white family that so was their dog…pure (not New York City) snow white. And not that it matters, except that they were small business owners and hanging on their basement wall was a SBA 8(a) certificate. For those of you who don’t know, this is a government set aside program for “disadvantaged” businesses. Many of you would ignorantly call this “Affirmative Action”. Now, the husband was white so he wouldn’t qualify. Their dog was white and he can’t vote 8-)~. So who did that leave as the qualifying factor? DING DING DING DING. The white wife. And there I was, a “blue collar” Latino, veteran and small business owner servicing them. So, it seems that many on this forum, much like the masses, need a little primer on Affirmative Action. You may benefit from the following: http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/affirmaction.html , http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm , and http://aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php. There are more.

But I thought we were discussing the merits of McCain vs Obama? How silly am I? Reality check…regardless of what anyone says, this presidential race is a culmination of 400 years of racial oppression gone sour. Willie Lynch defeated. And I have always believed that this business of liberalism versus conservatism often happens along the lines of race, because so many associate Democrats with social programs like welfare, for which the notion of generations of blacks and latinos milking society is so prevalent. For example, I have never understood the “hillbilly” backwoods, grease monkey white dude diehard Republican mentality. They don’t care about you, man!

Greg, there is NO SHAME in supporting a just war. And, as a veteran of the U.S. Navy, I am one of the few (excluding Bush and Cheney) who has put their life on the line for the freedoms so many take for granted, including that used to invade a country in which history has now shown was of no immediate threat to us. Face it, people, there were no weapons of mass destruction and Al-Qaeda was not based in Iraq. They are, however, stronger there now. Good job, you zealoous patriots, you. But McVeigh and his ilk are a much greater threat to this country than Saddam and his regime were! Sure…Saddam’s evil regime…”he tortured his peeeeople”…so do most of the police forces in this country…Rodney King, Amadou Dialo…oh well, huh. Oh, and Cuba is a COMMUNIST country. Looks like a primer on civics is needed as well. Here ya go… http://www.romm.org/soc_com.html

Good point on Affirmative Action, Anthony. As a phone technician I arrived for a service call to a white, middle class family’s home in Suburbia, USA. On their wall was an 8(a) certification plaque. For those of you who don’t know, this is a governmental set-aside program for “disadvantaged” businesses. Many of you who have posted along these lines would call this AFFIRMATIVE ACTION But wait, the husband was a white male so, he wouldn’t qualify and their dog can’t vote. So who does this leave? The white wife. Here’s more: apa.org/pubinfo/affirmaction.html, understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm, aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php. There are more. Just Google “affirmative action and white women”.

I agree, Greg, there is NO SHAME in supporting “the war”. I would, however, add just war. And I, unlike the great majority of Americans (Bush and Cheney included), am uniquely qualified to oppose ANY war as a veteran who put his life on the line to support the freedoms so many take for granted, like invading a country that was of no imminent threat to us. Let’s face it folks, there were no weapons of mass destruction and the “Al-Qaeda” attack on the U.S. came out of Afghanistan. Sure, Saddam’s was an evil regime…”he killed his peeeople”, they say. But so do they in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit. Oh yeah, they’re black criminals, they don’t count. Except for Amadou Dialo, who made the mistake of being an African immigrant, out at night, and reaching for ID in his wallet when four undercover cops shot him so many times (40+) many were in his foot, which meant he laid dead already when those penetrated his lifeless body. And they were fully acquitted, as were those who shot and killed a young black man leaving a strip joint with no criminal record or weapon, on his wedding night. What is done about them? Don’t fool yourselves. This is about oil, a power grab, military industrialism…NOT our freedoms.

Oh! Bill, Cuba is a Communist, not Socialist country. Give this a gander…romm.org/soc_com.html.

“Second Coming of Jimmy Carter.” Funny.

A friend somewhat high up in Washington politics sent me this provocative commentary today. Hmmm….

You can expect a wave of Hillary-inspired NOBAMA information–pseudo-facts, poop-aganda, etc.–and even some incredibly ugly truths. Most of it will be confidentially handled, but some or even all may make it to the general public. There’s a lot wrong with Obama and I certainly don’t want him as our Chief Executive, but there’s also a lot wrong with the way he’s about to be shredded.

The Hillaryous group is now leaking the crap accumulated during the primaries, but withheld because it’s bad politics to give ammunition to the other side. In this case, her team feels they can safely whisper to the super-delegates who, in the end, will control the result. The state delegate count is close enough to even so it’s up to the Supers to decide the candidate. Given enough bad news regarding Obama, and good timing by Bill (who’s obviously running the strategy), things will happen too quickly for Obama’s team to invoke the Teflon Effect and the convention will have no choice but to nominate Hillary. The Clintons are picking her wardrobe and his tie, and writing their acceptance speech. I’m sure that a confident Bill and Hillary have been evaluating VP candidates for weeks…and he’s the most obvious choice! Interesting times…

Let’s say Bill’s mega-smear campaign somehow fails, and Obama wins the nomination. All the Nobama information that was previously available only to Hillary’s team will make its way to the Republican strategists. That ensures McCain’s four year presidency, the end of Obama on the national scene, and an open door to the Clintonsteins in 2012.

Observant Americans are flipping coins: who will be easier to beat in November? For whom shall we pull? The answer depends on how much damage Clinton and Obama do to each other in the critical days leading to Denver, and what sort of nasty new revelations we see. I dislike Hillary, but distrust Obama much more. So, reluctantly, I must root for Hillary. Amazing!

I’m more and more comfortable with McCain’s prospects. He’s got flaws but, in these tumultuous times, we need a leader with some concept of international issues and their military solutions, whoever implements them. Though I disagree with some of McCain’s positions, he’s as honest as a politician can be. Americans who stop cheering long enough for a second look are discovering that Obama doesn’t understand “truth.” He’s not quite the Golden Boy that at first he seemed to be, he’s a sort of apprentice Christian emerging from an Islamic foundation, and the CHANGE he’s promising will be what’s left of a family’s finances when he implements his economic plan.

Hillary expects McCain’s numbers to improve and Obama’s to sink, and is prepared to rise to the occasion in Denver.

November: McCain v. The Clintons

i am a conservative. i stand for: stronger families, lower taxes, better government, not just more spending. i am an american, not an african american or white american etc. the whole notion is ridiculous. anthony is right in one statement. racism is alive in america. however what he fails to mention is that all of us have predjudices, no matter what our backgrounds. to vote for obama because he is black is just as wrong as voting against him because he is black. how about we vote for candidates who want us to take responsibility for our own actions and want the government to get out of the way of our success, whether it be in school or real estate investing. how about giving the students the choice of what school they want to attend and not which one happens to be closest.
any candidate that says the government can do a better job is wrong ans should go. these are the same people who could not even make the post office work when they had a monopoly and they want to run health care and education(did real good job with that for the last 40 yrs haven’t they.) as for my not being a good chriswtian because i don’t want higher taxes: well i give a solid 10% of my gross income to charities that i choos based on how well they manage the money i give them and how much they acually use it to help people and not help government. i believe if you do the research on this one also you will find that conservatives give a much larger %age of their earnings to charity than liberals who want government to slove the problem. let’s do it oursleves and leave the government out of it. sorry i got long winded her but this is really out of hand. we want the gov’t to handle it so we don’t have to make the effort to think things through for ourselves. grow up america or your children will be blaming you for their loss of freedoms and incomes. i have never responded to anything like this before but this discussion was just too much. i am not not voting for obama because he is black; i am not voting for abama because he is prochoice and anti-family which history has shown liberals to be and which history has also shown is not good for america.

Oh, NL Villanueva…..
As I’m sure you knew, but maybe just forgot…
Socialism is the overall category that communism falls into. As a matter of fact the dictionary states:

Communism is a hypothetical stage of SOCIALISM as formulated by Marx, Engles, Lenin and others….

Hopefully all the people of faith on this forum had a chance to see the Civil Forum last night when Obama tried to wiggle out the abortion queation (which he favors according to his Senate voting record) and McCain is totally Pro Life.

Gary - as most Christians are, I believe you may be misguided. As a Christian, it is not your right, or your role, to impose Christian beliefs on someone else. Jesus never asked Christians to go out into the world and eliminate sin. Sinners sin. That what they do. Jesus expects Christians to spread his word, and to let him do the rest. The idea is that if someone comes to know Jesus, than they won’t want to sin anymore. If you want to stop abortion, we need to stop women from wanting to have them. Not take away their right to have them.

I’m not voting for Obama as my Spiritual or moral leader. I’m voting for him to be the leader of the nation that I live in. Just because John McCain is against abortion and gay rights, does not mean he is morally superior to Barack Obama.

Also, a few comments have been brought about capitalism and socialism. Trust me, Democrats believe in capitalism as well. They just understand that true capitalism mostly benefits the educated & the wealthy. Democrats also understand that in order to have true capitalism, you have to level the playing field first.

Yes, supposedly every citizen in this country has the same rights and opportunities. But if you come from an environment where you never see any of those opportunities, and you have no one to show them to you, it’s likely that you won’t be able to take advantage of them. Have any of you ever been to a high school in the Bronx, or the westside of Chicago, or inner-city Detroit? Well I have, and it’s amazing that any kid can learn anything in those places. They are more like prisons than schools. Now you take a kid from a suburban high school, and the picture is totally different. His whole environment is geared for him to be successful. All he has to do is follow the plan. He doesn’t have to be exceptional, he doesn’t have to stand out. Just do what he’s supposed to do, and his life will be pretty good.

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. If you’re poor, your kids will go to poor schools. As a result, they’ll get a poor education and only be qualified for poor paying jobs. This is a big part of the reason that you see the repeating cycles and generations of people on welfare. They’re not out to get over on the government. They just have no real idea as to how to break the cycle. As someone else on this blog said, education is the key. Just don’t expect it to happen in most of the inner-ciy public high schools in our country.

Lastly, I think it was Greg that wants to know why people blame his generation for slavery. Greg, I don’t think Black people blame your generation. I think they blame every generation of White people since the early 1600s. White people seem to want to sweep slavery under the rug and say (as Greg did), “Yes slavery was horrible, but I never owned anyone. So stop talking about it already.” No one would ever dare say that to a Jewish person. “Sure the Holocaust was horrible, but I never gassed anyone. So stop talking about it already.” Why would you expect Black people to stop talking about something as tragic as the enslavement of thier people for almost 300 years? And slavery did happen, so who is to blame? You can’t just accept all of the great accomplishments of this country, and simply deny it’s mistakes. Especially one as horrendous as slavery.

Oh great, now the Christians are misguided. Anthony, if you are in favor of abortion (killing of unborn babies) for any reason except the health of the mother, how can you be a moral person or leader?

There are 4 choices for a woman, Abstenance, contraception, adoption and abortion. Why do some Liberals think abortion is the only choice??

As far as equal opportunities for schools, jobs, the poor and so on and so on, I’ll bet you keep voting for the socialists who favor the class and race warfare that keeps them in power. If you think about it, you’ll find that everyone would benefit in this country if the government got out of our lives and let the private sector guide the country with the ideas of Choice, Competition, and Merit.
It might take a couple generations to undo the harm the government run programs have caused, but the future would be brighter..

Politics-many blood sucking creatures…

REMEMBER THIS: All problems in this country have been caused by Politicians (or activists),and they are the very politicians who now tell you they have the solution to the problem. One party has a goal of the government controlling all free enterprise, the money supply and our daily lives. The politicians want to force all of us into equality. No choice, no competition, no merit. You’re not going to like that life Anthony.

On another point..
Until my retirement in 1994, I worked for a company who hired many African Africans, who were in awe that African Americans were still hung up on the slavery issue. They felt the decendents of slaves were the lucky ones, as they were already here in “The Land of Opportunity” and not left back in Africa where things are not very safe for them, or there is no opportunity at all.

Anthony,
that is the craziest stuff I have ever heard, If people place their mindset on constantly talking about bad things in their life and cannot look to find good things then they will remain enslaved in their lives. Don’t you see that all this negativity brings is more of the same keep bringing up all things bad that happen to blacks or jews is making people have anger. It should be remembered so that it doesn’t repeat itself and people should learn from it but it is what it is, Any person can create what they want in life poor or not, if taught correctly the way to achieve things is not complaining but by taking action and doing something about it how do you think obama got where he is by complaining about slavery no by taking action leave it alone and start being a mentor to people give them a possitive view

Patricia,
I agree with you. People need to look forward. It is people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that won’t let people forget because then they would be out of a job and not raking in their millions by crying foul when they see opportunity. They have raked their own people over the coals for years and continue to do so. Anthony is one of the many misled. They cut the legs out of people like Don Imus, which I didn’t agree with his comments, but then they make comments on their own and nothing is said about it or it just gets swept under the rug like the latest Jesse Jackson apology. Don Imus apologized too but that wasn’t good enough. they wanted blood.
We also need our government to step aside and quit trying to control every aspect of our lives. That is what the Dems want. More programs to control us. I am against any kind of discrimination but today there is more discrimination than ever before only it is going the other way. I am really tired of people saying we got to be politically correct or racial profiling. Our country is on the verge of collapse and if we don’t take it back now we are all done. You want to keep it alive then we better vote for McCain. You want to speed up the downfall, then vote for Obama.
The book of Revelation says that the anti-christ will be of middle eastern decent and be muslim. He will fool people and become christlike in his behavior and promise to bring peace to the world before he reveals himself. Guess where Obama ancestry is from.

A couple of follow up points. Obama DOES have ties to terrorism, although it’s domestic terrorism rather than Islamofascist terrorism. One of his friends and colleagues is william Ayers, of the Weather Underground, who has said that he wishes that he had done more terrorist acts.

A second issue has to do with why they would cut taxes when there is a deficit. The reason is that tax cuts produce more revenue for the government. If you look at the budget deficit, you’ll also notice that since the Bush tax cuts took place, the government has been taking in more money than any time in history. The problem is that Congress has been spending money even faster than it has been bringing it in. The idea has to be to cut spending as well. Historically, having a flat 21% tax rate produces the highest revenue for the government. Unfortunately, the people running things want to use taxes to push a social agenda and promote class warfare and dependence in the population they’re giving things to, thereby securing the base. Liberal social policies do not work because they CANNOT work–they are counter to well known principles of human behavior.

People have been compliaining about the cost and length of the Iraq War. Consider this. The War on Poverty has been going on for over 40 years at a cost of over $11 trillion. How’s that worked out?

Oh yeah Patricia, I almost forgot. The book of Revelations doesn’t say that the Antichrist will be Muslim and of Middle-eastern decent. Actually the work Muslim doesn’t exist anywhere in the Bible. That kind of makes sense because Islam didn’t even exist back than.

Also, Obama’s father was from Kenya, and his mother is from Kansas. Not sure what ancestry he has that links him to the Middle East. Please explain.

Wow… this discussion has really morphed into something else all-together. But, as someone else pointed out–when you open up a discussion that has to do with politics (and, usually, religion)–this is going to happen. So I am not surprised, I’m just saying…

Now–I believe the original question was, “Who will be better for investors–McCain or Obama?”

Let me first say that I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. When I look at the two candidates, my gut tells me that McCain would probably be better for investors, at least initially. But that will not dictate for whom I am going to vote. I have to base my decision on everything, not simply one aspect or issue. Do I think that Obama will raise taxes? Yes. Does this make me happy? No.

Also–I understand the concerns of those who feel that Obama lacks “experience”. I do not disagree, but I’m not sure that is necessarily a bad thing.

While McCain may be better for investors, I think that Obama will be a better choice overall. Both candidates have faults, and while I do think that Obama is a risk, I am more willing to take that risk with the potential for change that is so desperately needed in this ocuntry vs. the “experience” that will more than likely (in my opinion) be very close to what we have had for the past 8 years or so

Caitlin–

Seriously–a boy scout vs. a marine (navy man)? Is that your argument? Wow… I don’t know what I was thinking…

We’ve all seen how the “tough guy” approach has worked up to this point. Perhaps it’s time for a different approach…

Like I stated previously, I think that there is inherent risk with Obama. However, it is a risk that I, for one, am willing to take (given the alternative).

Buda, I wish I had thought of some of that stuff. But the reason most of the “people right of the boat can open businesses successfully and makes a little money is that the gov. gives them tax incentives (does not have to pay any) for 10 yrs. I think I’m correct about that. I call that an unfair advantage in a way. No offence intended to anyone. Why don’t we (Americans) have that same privelige.

Buda,

My race and marital status are none of your concern. With that said, I agree with you. Who wouldn’t want to “find, fix-up and sell or rent property and NOT KEEP every penny that they and their family is entitled to”? I know I do. Just not at the expense of someone else’s happiness.

I apologize for continuing to bring up Christianity, because I’m really not all that religious of a person. (Spiritual yes, religious no). But Jesus said “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”. You can interprate that any way you want, but I don’t think that it means that rich people won’t go to heaven. I think it’s a way of telling us that obtaining riches shouldn’t be our priority in life. Jesus spent a lot of time with the poor during his short time on Earth. He loved them and honored them, and told them that “the Kingdom of God would be there’s”. I never read about him telling them to “get off their lazy asses, and get a job”.

Also, I didn’t say that it depends on where a person lives that determines how successful a person can become. Basically what I said is that poor people have a lesser chance at being successful, primarily because they have a lot more to overcome. Many of those Black people that you say “got off their ass and got an education or started a business” were exceptional people. Many of them overcame tremendous obstacles. The problem is, most people aren’t exceptional. Regardless of color, most of us are just average people, capable of average results. So you take that average person and put obstacle after obstacle in front of him, the chances for him to excel become almost impossible. But you take that same average kid and put him in Naperville, IL (a Chicago reference for you Buda), and suddenly his life is a whole lot rosier.

Back to the future President. You Republicans had it your way for the last eight years. How was it? Is the economy better or worse before Bush got in? Is unemployment higher or lower? Are food and gas prices substantially higher or lower? Are the rich richer, or are the poor poorer? These are just rhetorical questions. Obviously, we all know the answers.

Bush failed this country miserably. He put us in a ridiculous amount of debt. He put us in war that we shouldn’t be in. He ruined our economy. Hell, he even tried to sell our ports to the Arabs. Is this what you want more of?

Obama stands for change. What change you ask? At this point, I really don’t care. If all he did was just change the color of the paint on the Oval Office’s walls, at least it wouldn’t mortgage the future of this country the way Bush has. And all McCain has to offer is more of the same. Thanks, but no thanks.

there has been many comments left for both sides. Let’s face it, no one is going to change their mind of who they are going to vote for. I know I am not. I will still vote for McCain because I don’t think we will get more of the same as we had with Bush.
Some people keep saying what this administration has done as far as the economy, the war, the debt, etc. Let’s not forget that we have a democratic congress and senate that isn’t doing much either. They are just as much at fault as Bush is as far as i’m concerned. We will never clear up the problems with this country as long as there is politicians. How many politicians actually keep their so called promises.
The parties will never come together for the good of the country. They vote along the lines of their party because they are expected to and if they want to get further along in their career they need to do that otherwise they are blackballed.
As far as Anthony’s comment about keeping your money at the expense of someone else’s happiness? Do you really think by giving more money to the government that it will make less fortunate people happy? The government will not help these people. The government, especially the dems. want to control these people because the more they give them the more they vote for them. As long as the people with money are in power, republicans and democrats, they will pass laws that is good for them and not the poor and put a spin on it like it is helping people. The sooner you accept that the better for you.
You are better off keeping your money and putting it to use to help the poor because you will use it wisely and have it going to where you want it to go. I do appreciate your intentions Anthony and i can see you have a heart for this but by electing someone like Obama, in my humble opinion, is not going to make a difference. He is for change but never says what that change is. What if he makes change that goes against what you believe in? I am not trying to change anyone’s mind, as I said that I don’t care what arguments we have that people have already made up their minds, but I am stating my views. I don’t like what the dems stand for and the republicans stand for more of what I believe in.
this has been a spirited blog and got nasty at times. I respect everyone’s opinion and you all are entitled to it as that is what makes this country great. I wish everyone that participated all the best.

Out of everyone that has posted here, I think Keith has probably made the most sense so far. Politicians are going to be politicians. Whatever they tell us now, does not always come to fruition once they take office.

To Mel, yes everyone has obstacles in life and I’m glad that you were able to overcome yours. But it’s hard for me to tell someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, when they don’t have any boots. Not only do they not have boots, they don’t really know what boots are. No one in their family ever had in boots, and no one in their neighborhood ever had any. The school they went to didn’t teach about boots, and their church only told them that they would get their boots in heaven. The only thing they know about boots is what they see on television. So boots to them, is more of a fantasy rather than an obtainable goal. Obviously I’m being metaphoric here, but you get the picture.

I don’t like handouts either, but the reality is that they help a lot of people that really need them. Sure, there are people that abuse the system. But I would rather risk helping them, than to eliminate the help to people that rely on that help.

Republicans only seem to have a problem helping poor people. When a corporation is faced with bankrupcty, it’s usually the Republicans that rush to their aid. When farmers have a bad crop season, Republicans are there again with aid. When a new sports stadium needs to be built, its usually Republicans that want to use our TAX DOLLARS to build it. Now if this isn’t welfare, what is it? Helping the rich, and ignoring the poor? There is nothing more unconstitutional and Un-American than that.

Before I start ignore any typos, I have to do this fast because I need to make some money today to pay my bills and taxes.

anthony my delutional, yet spiritual (good thing) friend. I don’t really care what your marital status or race are. I just wanted to know to make my point. I say you are single because if you were married and had children to pay for you would not be so quick to give your hard earned money away to the government. Also, I know you are black and only voting for Obama because he is black, do you know why I know this because of your most ignorant comment you have made so far, “What change, I really don’t care what change”. Would you vote for Hillary? But I knew you would not answer and put it back on me because to use one of your words, you are a coward.

Also, you say that the only people from the city that have been successful have been “exceptional”, That is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard. I’m not talking about becoming a mega-millionaire like a rapper, how about just an average respectable middle classer. I’m a real estate appraiser in Chicago and I travel to EVERY neighborhood of the Chicagoland area. I have met some of the nicest, happiest, proud, hard working people in ALL black neighborhoods. And do you know what they want, they want the the thugs, drug dealers and the lazy ass no good doers OUT of their neighborhoods. So your arguement is pointless.

And you dont have to apologize for bringing up religion or sprituality. But I don’t think you even understand the point that is being made by the scriptures you qoute. What they are saying is don’t get all caught up in just aquiring riches for yourself to hoard, but use those riches to enrichen the lives of your family, friends and the less fortunate, HOWEVER, if you DON”T HAVE those riches YOU CAN’T enrichen the lives of others.

And who ever said about making money “at the expense of others” I don’t recall anyone bring that up but you.

Now let’s talk about where we live again. Everyone has the same government programs available to them no matter where they live. I was born in the city and my dad worked hard to be able to move us to the suburbs, nothing was handed to him. Then he was either laid off or lost a job, but you know what he kept fighting and got another job so we could be comfortable, NOT wealthy by any means, just comfortable.

So then I, by working MY ASS off both in school and working 3 or 4 jobs to make money to pay my way through college all by myself, to make something of myself. Then I worked my ass off again at 2-3 jobs to pay for my house and kids. It’s not about where you live, it’s about determination to be successes and make something of yourself not expecting the government or someone else to do it for you, to do something with your lives and to help out those who cannot. Oh by the way I volunteered working at the Catholic Charities soup kitchen for the homeless in the city for 3 years and spent my Thanksgiving and Christmas days feeding the homeless and poor. What have you done since you keep preaching about the government helping?

Lead, follow or get out of the way, is a saying that I see in a particular gym that I ref in. I live by this saying.
By the way DON”T EVER try to coach any youth any sporting activities or art or acting because playing sports, like life it self, is nothing but getting over, around and through obstacle after obstacle after obstacle. And making an excuse that prople CANNOT be successful because of so many obstacles is the lamest, pity party, cry baby reason I have heard.

So know let’s talk about Bush. Do you actually think that the president of the United States is sole responsible for everything that happens in the US? If you do, which you have indicated by your statement, then you really should go back to high school or junior high and retake US Government 101. There happens to be other branches of government that have more power overall then the President. So HE and only HE ruined are economy, well first of all our economy is NOT ruined, we are not in a recession there happens to be cycles that countries and economies go through.

The reason the the prices of oil, gas, food and everything else related to oil is so high is the FACT that our dependency on foreign oil has been perpetuated by the democratic congress who, because they are in the pocket of the extreme evironmentalists who do not want to drill for oil in our own country. Now don’t go saying, oh it will hurt the environment to drill in the US, yep that’s what all the liberals want you to believe but the FACTS ARE that it won’t. I am the biggest nature and animal lover around BUT a caribou or polar bear is not paying to put gas in my tank or food on my families table. Also, a democratic politian got the bill passed the allows speculators to not have to back up their oil price speculations with actual cash like other commodities have to, so they were able to JACK-UP the price of oil without any consequence to them selves. So you can blame the high price of EVERTHING on I guess, your fine democratic congressmen, not the President.

A war we should not have been in, who told you this? Read the letter below.

Letter from one ‘Angry Woman’

I don’t know who wrote it but they should have signed it. Some
powerful words. This woman should run for president.

Written by a housewife from New Jersey and sounds like it! This is
one ticked off lady.

‘Are we fighting a war on terror or aren’t we? Was it or was it
not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on
September 11, 2001?

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not
brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the
Potomac from our nation’s capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
burning or crushing death that day, or didn’t they?

And I’m supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was ‘desecrated’
when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it
wet?…Well, I don’t. I don’t care at all.

I’ll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and
repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I’ll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East
start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is
a crime in Saudi Arabia .

I’ll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for
chopping off Nick Berg’s head while Berg screamed through his
gurgling slashed throat.

I’ll care when the cowardly so-called ‘insurgents’ in Iraq come
out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion
by hiding in mosques.

I’ll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in
search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of
their suicide.

I’ll care when the American media stops pretending that their
First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international
law instead of the United States Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing
up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don’t
care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who
have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident,
rest assured: I don’t care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is
told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take
it to the bank: I don’t care…

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer
mat, and fed ’special’ food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that his holy book is being ‘mishandled,’ you can
absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don’t care.

And oh, by the way, I’ve noticed that sometimes it’s spelled
‘Koran’ and other times ‘Quran.’ Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you
guessed it-I don’t care !!

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail
friends. Sooner or later, it’ll get to the people responsible for
this ridiculous behavior!

If you don’t agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
Should you choose the latter, then please don’t complain when more
atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great
Country! And may I add:

‘Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a
difference in the world. But, the Marines don’t have that problem’
– Ronald Reagan

I have another quote that I would like to add AND…….I hope you
forward all this.

‘If we ever forget that we’re One Nation Under God, then we will
be a nation gone under.’ Also by.. Ronald Reagan

One last thought for the day:

In case we find our selves starting to believe all the
Anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember
England ’s Prime Minister Tony Blair’s words during a recent
interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he
believes so much in America , he said: ‘A simple way to take
measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many
want out.’

The last thing, by the way, that we should do is to elect as
President of the United States, someone who claims to love America
yet, WILL NOT salute the flag, WILL NOT pledge allegience to our
flag, and sat in a church for 20 years listening to a ‘pastor’
that HATES America! Are you Freakin’ kidding me?

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,

AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM.

AMEN! ( I’m passing this on Lady. God Bless You and God Bless
AMERICA !!!)

Ok One last thing Obama is the worst speaker and thinker I have heard when NOT reading from a speech. Listen to him answer a question or try to get someting out. He can’t say a complete sentence he all uhms and ahs and stamers around. Oh I almost forgot, can you tell me HOW me got into an Ivy League school since he won’t release his records and ADMITS that in high school he did alot of drugs, was apoor student, was’nt really there most of the time. Hmmmm, unless you can prove me wrong I’d say they had a quota to fill. Did you happen to catch the Saddleback conference Obama was at. When asked of ALL the Supreme Court Justices that hav been appointed which one would you not have recommended. And he picks Clarence Thomas the black man (who is NOT a liberal of course) but who is a constitutional scholar attorney, who has wrote books, articles, supreme court desisions and opinions. Besides writing books so he could make money what professional articles or writings has Obama done………….ZERO !!!! He has NO EXPERIENCE MAN !!!

At this time would like to commpliment the obviously intelligent other forum writers especially Mel who has pointed out some of the great Americans who have actually done great things for our country.

In closing, Anthony I will sit here and honestly tell you that the people writing here care more about you and would do MORE things for you than Barack Obama would ever do. For your own good and the good of your family listen to what they are saying.

The Democrats want to have you in their pockets, they want you to be oppressed, beat down, take away your freedoms and rights so that you can come crawling to them begging for them to help you out. In the mean time they become richer and richer at your expense, WAKE UP AND JUST SAY NO, have you seen Al Gore or John Edwards homes?

Or you can just keep on being naive and follow the propaganda like the followers of Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Castro, Edid Amin, Saddam Husein, Malosavic, Park, Tojo the list goes on and on. We are on your side, B.O. and the rest of the dems are not.

Your friend Buda

Buda, Well said and I couldn’t agree more. To say that Obama is a man without qualifications is like saying the sky is blue. All a person has to do is look up.

I was watching some moron on Fox claiming that Clarence Thomas wasn’t properly qualified to have been a Supreme court judge because he had only been on the appeals court for one year. When she was asked by the Fox correspondent what about the 30 judges that had never served on the appeals court. Quess what, just like Obama all she did was stammer around, not answer the question and febbly restate her contention he wasn’t qualified.

The country is working at going to hell in a hand basket but it isn’t because of Bush and it isn’t because of the Republicans. It is because too damn many people don’t want to be responsible for their own actions, don’t want to think for themselves and are too cowardly to take a risk.

Every religion I have studied speaks of free choice and being responsible for your own actions. Is this why so many are afraid of having some religious references in our country? Is it they figure that by taking all religion out of schools and courts and government it will be easier to make this a damn “nanny state”?

Like the idiots in the District of Columbia whom are working so hard to circumvent the lastest Supreme Court decision saying the Second Amendment applies to everyone and people do have a right to have firearms. Yet the governing body of D.C. says not so fast maybe we can make it impossible some other way. What a bunch of self serving hypocrites!!

Are people like this who we want to run our country, or do we want a person that when told he could leave a POW camp before others that had been imprisoned longer he said NO!

I for one want a person that has some back bone! Not some whiney jerk that has a wife that is blantantly against America, that has no respect for the flag, whom surrounds himself with terroist and criminals. You want a real shock read some of Hitler’s speaches and then read Obama’s. Could have been the same speech writer. He has nothing for this country. He has no service, he has no heart and he has no message.

Chris

Nice factual posts by Chris and Bill. Yes, I’ve seen it too when ever a Dem person is asked a pointed question, they never answer it but beat around the bush and try change the subject or throw it back just like if you confront a child about something and they say well what about Joey he did such and such, never wanting to answer your question or take responsibility. They make comments based on personal opinion NOT actual facts.

Bill your comment about the abortion topic (and gay rights) like I said is a personal choice that people have to deal with. However, I have just one thing to say about it. Just because abortion is legal does not mean people have to do it. You may have the right to blow away a criminal breaking into your house but you don’t have to shoot them. Related story BELOW.

POINT MARION, Pa. (Aug. 19) — An 85-year-old woman boldly went for her gun and busted a would-be burglar inside her home, then forced him to call police while she kept him in her sights, police said. “I just walked right on past him to the bedroom and got my gun,” Leda Smith said.
Smith heard someone break into her home Sunday afternoon and grabbed the .22-caliber revolver she had been keeping by her bed since a neighbor’s home was burglarized a few weeks ago. I said ‘What are you doing in my house?’ He just kept saying he didn’t do it,” Smith said.
After the 17-year-old boy called 911, Smith kept holding the gun on him until state police arrived at her home in Springhill Township, about 45 miles south of Pittsburgh.
The boy will be charged with attempted burglary and related offenses in juvenile court, Trooper Christian Lieberum said. He was not identified because of his age.
“It was exciting,” Smith said. “I just hope I broke up the (burglary) ring because they have been hitting a lot of places around here.”

Now of course the Dems wnat to do away with the Second Ammendment which of course then the 85 year old woman would not have been able to protect herself from the criminal who broke into her house or be arrested for possessing the gun.

CHECK OUT THIS HUGE CONTRADICTION BY THE DEMS: Once again I think the abortion topic is a personal issue. However I think you will get a BIG KICK of how they talk out of both sides of their mouths and I have not heard anyone bring up this HUGE contradiction.

**They want you to have the right to be able to kill an unborn child with abortion. But you as a born person do not have the right to defend and protect your self from someone who might want to kill you. WHAT A JOKE !!!!!!! So in their minds it’s ok to take a life but yours is worthless and you can’t defend it properly.

Once again I’m going to vote for the candidate that will allow me to protect my real estate investments and myself and family properly, because if you have to wait for the cops to show up, it’s probably to late.

Yeah Chris the one candidate surrounds himself with convicted criminals, terrorists, preachers that are more interested in creating race and civil disorder rather than preach the word of god who tells people to be good, get along and help on another out. So what’s WRONG WITH THAT, HUH!! LOL I think those are such positives to have in your campaign chest, LOL !!

I do disagree with Chris when he says Obama has no message. He has a message all right, it’s: I am the almighty, follow me like a lemming, give me more of your money, you don’t need any rights or freedoms, I’ll take care of you until I decide that I don’t need you any more while I create my own country, the U.S. of Obama.

One more thing I had to rebutt. Someone said that Cindy MCcain had a go round with substance abuse, ok she dealt with it. Tell me which democrat celebrity has’nt? But that must be ok because they are under sooooooo much pressure deciding how to spend their millions or which club they should go to tonight. LOL !!!!

Ant, I hope your still reading.

It’s been fun today, Buda

Opps !! Almost forgot these important facts too. Not only will Obama NOT release his school records or medical records, his state senator records from IL have MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED so now he cannot release those records. What a crock of S–T !! John McCains records are an open book. I would’nt trust Obama with anyones life !!

Buda and others,

Isn’t his lack of transparency just another part of his message of change?

This is how I see the election shaping up:
Obama, “Can’t find any of my records, my cat ate them when I wasn’t looking while I was moving.” Remind you of a certain famous female?, hint her last name is Clinton. See this is the message I am getting over and over from Obama, I can be like Clinton only sneakier.
His running mate will also have a hard time finding his or her records also because they were helping Obama move and the cat was really hungry.

McCain, “What do you want to know? Here I haven’t anything to hide, look at anything you want. Need to see what is there don’t you?”
Like wise his running mate will not have any trouble finding his records to release also. They probably used a better moving company.

Chris

While burning race cards and some levels of social status to dirt, we have forgotten that, for all his experience, McCain is looked upon unfavorably by many Republicans, many of you here. And the discussion has digressed to whether a Boy Scout or a Marine (Navy man) is best for the country; send in the Marines(!), kind of discussion.

No disrespect to our men and women in uniform because they make the ultimate sacrifice everyday, but Marine tactics aren’t working…not in Iraq, not for the country. No matter what well-trained military person might say otherwise.

One look at where gas prices are and where they were 8 years ago and we have consensus we are a mess. And what has changed? Sure we have LOTS of people making babies; ever fewer dinosaurs to harvest…so what? The sick increase in gas prices from then to now is directly attributable to an extreme volatility in oil markets occurring since the current Middle East crisis and the Republican insurgency, not necessarily in that order “Speculators! Driving up the price!” they say. But can anyone admit who is not hurting at the pump? The (ahem) U.S. oil cartel or its Republican cabinet. And we are a mess.

So, it’s anything but Republican for me. Remove all the rhetoric and it would be a change that many would welcome. Those in party lockstep would disagree. But you’ll never hit the target in blinders, anyway.

In response to N.L Villanueva regarding gas prices.
You better check your facts. The gas prices didn’t start to go up until we got stuck with demoncrats for house and senate 3 years ago!!!
Trace it further and it’s the environmentalists that are causing the loss in supply due to us not being able to produce our own energy needs. And if you don’t get that take an Economics 101 class.
It’s all about supply and demand. And if we were allowed to drill for our own needs we would see prices drop tremendously. And we would empower our citizens rather than disempower them which the left is doing right now.

Needless to say it is fine to get us off oil and onto some other resource but in the meantime we need to
[drill here, drill now, pay less]. (google that)

Most people cannot just go out and buy a hybrid car or two, so now it is totally wrong for Nancy Pelosis to ignore us as she flies around in her jet. Totally hypocritical. She has no idea how the average American is hurt by these high gas prices she’s causing.
And then think about the winter what a hardship they are going to be causing to we “ordinary” not wealthy Americans! This is what you will see with an Obama in the White HOuse. You think it’s bad now??? YOu haven’t seen nothing yet. That man does not understand basic economics even! Scary stuff but then again he is anti-capitalism and pro-socialism! But somehow I’ll bet that he and other wealthy democrats will not be spreading their wealth around. But they’ll make everyone else, who has the drive & taken the incentive and risk to make money, and make them spread it around to less motivated individuals!

Hooray to the Republicans in congress with ba__s, who stayed and protested while the Democrats led by Pelosi left in their limos and jets, while the Repubs.stayed to protest not giving an up or down vote to drill for oil right here. The Repubs. by doing this show they care.

It is not Pelosis agenda to make it easier on the American people by allowing drilling. They know it will work and they want everyone to feel the pain of high gas prices so come NOvember they will vote Democrat because they are trying to blame Bush for this. And the Democrats are good at knowing that emotion is what moves people more than common sense and reasoning.

Another thing…They…these leftist environmentalists were always bothered by SUV’s so they are getting them away from the American people this way! While they live in their gas guzzling limos, jets and energy draining houses. Now that’s elitism! Plain and simple. And it’s found on the left & not the right.
If Bush could dictate the gas prices he would not hurt his party by having them be so high! He is NOT the one acting like a dictator here. Open your eyes! AND especially your mind. The truth is staring right at you!

Oooops, somebodys knowledge of history and politice is showing again. If you care to review history you’ll see the “same old Republican conservative garbage” is the basis our forfathers founded this country on. The left wing liberal spewings are the very European liberalism they faught to get away from in the late 1700’s. And you and Obama want us to go back to that??

As for our brave military, we are fighting over there so no battles occur on American soil. I’m happy to stay there for the duration no matter how long it takes. Probably you lefties don’t know that more mililtary died under Clinton’s pacification policies than have died under Bushes war efforts.

As for oil and the economy, you must realize economic policy is set by the Congress. The President can agree or veto the legislation, but the Congress can also override the veto. All economic problems are at the Congress’s doorstep.
Gas at the pump was $1.46 when Bush came into office. It was $1.86 when the liberals took over congress in Jan 2007. It went to $4 a gal in a year and a half under the liberal congress’s watch. If Clinton had not vetoed the Republican Congresses “drill for oil” energy legislation in 1995, we would be energy independent today.
Oil and gas prices…..direct results of liberal policies.

There seems to be 2 people on this forum not old enough or knowledgeable enough to have any sense of who really causes the problems. I’m starting to wonder if they are not just disgruntal half-Americans looking to stir the pot and make trouble. I’ve seen this before.

Yes, I remember the “fairness doctrine” they tried to get in under Clinton. They will try again under Obama. Give the Dem’s credit for one thing….they started 30 years ago buying up all the media in this country. I have seen figures between 89-93% of all the media is owned by Democrats. That’s why so many people fall for the propaganda, it’s everywhere. Ole Chris Matthews was speech writer for democratic speaker of the house Tip O’Neil, before he became a “neutral” commentator on TV.

Did you know they tried “Universal Health Care” under Harry Truman in 1945 and the Democratic Congress turned it down as too socialistic. Of coarse back then the Dem’s were moderate, not as liberal as they are now since Ted Kennedy and Robert Bird assumed power.

There are so many things that young liberals don’t know about the history of Democrats, or the history of this country, that I can’t blame them entirely for their leftist views. Remember, they received their education in “government public schools”

Just curious, wondering how long and hard this guy Anthony had to study to bring himself up to the level of being totally ignorant, and I am certain he excelled in the class. Without him having spelled it out it is apparent from his defense of Obama and his racist views where he is coming from. I have ran/managed several businesses over the years, and have had several blacks employed. Sadly there were perhaps 4 or 5 who were dependable, capable, honest, and not involved with drugs. which I was most intolerant. Other than the 4 or 5 that I recall currently, the others were without doubt the worst employees I had ever had. Anthony’s concern about racism, there are none more racist (that I have known) than blacks. If you want to really see racism in today’s times, watch it develop should the US elect Obama as president. And certainly Michelle (Obama’s wife)will add her contribution to it. As bad as one considers Bush, (whom I really do not like either) realistically consider how much worse it’d have been had we had either Kerry or Gore in office. And I think Obama would be even worse than either of them. I personally am not excited in seeing the possible McCain presidency, but he shall get my vote over any other choice we have. Hopefully by some miracle we shall also eliminate a few other choice winners as well come November, namely Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy, Edwards, Waters, Feinstein, Boxer, Shummer, and oh yea old what’s her name Clinton, among others. Sorry they all happen to be Lib/Dem’s and some Republicans well oughta go as well.
I am sure the US could/will survive with them, it’d just be much better with out them. It is time for the American voters to wake up and rid our government of the socialist/communist cancer in our government. I no doubt will have some nasty rebuttal to my message, in particular from Anthony, and that is fine, I am a big buy and can handle it, just question that he can.

Oz,

I’m sorry to dissappoint you, but I don’t have a nasty rebuttal for you. Besides your racist comment about Black people, you really didn’t say anything worth responding to. For whatever reason, you guys keep trying to piss me off by calling me names. Thats fine I guess, but I would assume that we could talk politics without the juvenile name calling. But if it makes you guys feel better about yourselves, fire away. They called Jesus names too.

Anyway Oz, what exactly was your point about saying that Black people were the worse employees that you ever hired? Are you perpetuating the stereotype that all Blacks are lazy? Are you saying that Obama would be a bad President because all the Black people you know were bad employees? What exactly is your point.

Did you ever think that you just have poor hiring skills, and are a poor judgement of people? My guess would be that you probably paid a very low wage, so you weren’t able to attract the best employees.

Let me enlighten you. Black people are not lazy. At least not anymore than any other race of people. I used to drive by a housing project every day on my way to work. I would drive by every day anywhere between 5am-8am. Wnenever I would drive by, I would see droves of people leaving the projects on their way to work. It would be so many people sometimes, it looked like a factory during shift change.

This is the working poor. Who do you think cleans your bathrooms in the buildings you work in? Who do you think washes your dishes at the restaurants you frequent? Who do you think are the maids at the hotels you vacation in? These are hard working people that are poor. They go to work everyday, but they are still poor. Their parents were probably poor too. They probably don’t have a high school diploma, and likely went to an underperforming public school.

Sure there are lazy people in the projects. But there are lazy people in the trailer parks too. So what? Why cut off our noses just to spite our faces? Why not help those people that are hard working and still struggling, and show them how to succeed in this world? I guarantee you, if those people had any clue as to how to get out of their situations, they would do it. They don’t clean toilets and live in the projects because they want to.

But hey, with the Republicans it’s every man for himself. “If I did it, so can they”. Well, was it illegal for your people to be educated for several hundred years in this country? Did people come into your ancestors homes (in this country) and sell your mother, father, brother or sister? Were your people denied the right to vote until only about 40 years ago? Did your parents or grandparents ever have their houses bombed because they tried to move into a decent neighborhood? Do you make 30% less than the Black person that does the same job as you? Do your kids go to inferior schools, and get inferior educations, because the government prefers to give most of the funding to the schools in Black neighborhoods? Have you ever been harrassed by the police for no reason at all?

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get the point. And before you say it, these aren’t excuses. These are examples of the type of racism that has been, and still is, being inflicted on Black people in America. I guarantee you, if this was happening to you and the people you loved, you’d want the government to step in and do something about it.

If you all go back and reread my posts, I’m not the one that turned this discussion into one about race. I simply made the statement that many people in this country would never vote for a Black man as President in this country. Many well-respected politicians and political experts say the exact same thing on CNN every night. I don’t make this stuff up people. But once I said that, out came all the comments about food stamps, Cadillacs, and lazy Black people. And you guys have the nerve to call me the racist?

Someone on hear recently made the idiotic statment that “racism is almost non-existant in this country”. Tell that to Tiger Woods who has his life repeatedly threatened everytime he gets closer to Jack Nicklaus’ records. Or tell that to Obama himself, who’s had to have Secret Service protection almost from the start of his race for the Presidency. Do you think they just want to kill him because he has so little experience? Or maybe they want him dead because he says “um” too much when he talks. It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that’s he’s Black and he’s likely going to be the next President could it? Nah, that would be racist, and racism doesn’t exist in America.

I guess Anthony has forgotten that the Dem’s keep voting down school vouchers which would allow CHOICE AND COMPETITION to let the parents choose the best schools for their kids. Competition would improve all schools in this coountry. The Dems are in the pocket of the NEA union and don’t want the schools to improve.

Every candidate has Secret Service and most receive death threats. Remember Ford was fired on, Reagan was shot, Kennedy & Lincoln were killed, and several others I have forgotten. Tiger is 25% African American and I read Obama is only 6.25%, being half white and a lot of Arabic. (I have not independently verified that) Sorry. The kooks are out there on both sides. And what happened to the post where N.L. thought we “wooden soldiers” should be wiped of the face of the earth? Was that a threat? Hell, even I have been threatened for my “letters to the editor.”

If you want all classes of Americans to have a better life, really study what the socialist movements in other countries has done against the citizens, then study the underlying philosophy of the Liberals in your party. I had to do it, I’m a recovering Democrat myself. It took me many years of study to go against my fathers party.

Mel,

Racism should be an open wound for EVERYONE in America. Not just me. Not just Blacks or Hispanics. EVERYONE! Unless you support the unfair treatment of a whole race of people, soley because of the color of their skin, then racism should be a sore spot for you too.

I am no one’s victim, but I have been affected by racism. And so have you, along with everyone else in America. Racism affects us all, whether we know it or not. The past should not be forgotten. The future is shaped by the past. There are lessons to be learned from the past, and ignoring them does us no good. Try asking Jewish people to forget about the Holocaust. No one in this country is brave enough to do that. Why do we feel it is ok to ask Black people to forget about slavery?

I agree, the American Dream is available to us all. The problem is, there are forces in place to keep some of us from achieving that American Dream. And some of us didn’t have far to go, in order to achieve the Dream. While many of us have so far to go, the task seems insurmountable.

The reason things like BET and Miss Black America were started, is because for decades, Black people were left out of arenas like this. The Miss America pageant was in existence for over 60 years before a Black woman won. BET was created because Black people wanted their own media outlet, because the main stream media either ignored them or portrayed them in negative lights. I don’t see these outlets as divisive, I see them as giving people a chance to express themselves, that they wouldn’t have had otherwise.

Mel, you seem like a nice guy. But I think you’re a little too idealistic. America has no history of being fare to anyone other than the majority, unless the government stepped in to mandate it. Not talking about racism and inequalities doesn’t make them go away. We HAVE to talk about them, and figure out a way to make things better for EVERYONE. You say we all need to come together, and I agree with that. But what are we going to talk about? If we can’t talk about the problems, then how can we fix them?

You never once heard me talk about handouts. I hate handouts, and welfare and foodstamps. But I am for helping people that have fallen on hard times.

Anthony,

I don’t think anyone is trying to put you down or piss you off any more than I think you are trying to piss others off.

A point that is often overlooked is the more one focuses on something the more likely the event will happen. As people constantly focus on how badly they were mistreated in the past the more likely they will find they are being mistreated in the present!

Yes we had slaves in this country and that was sad, it is history and needs to be treated as such. We had indentured servants in the past, and actually commonly in the present amoung the asian immigrants, and this is no more than a type of slavery also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant
For those not familiar the link will give you a pretty good explanation.

I am part Algongian indian, you want to talk about a class of people oppressed? Seems liked the freed slaves were a pretty big part of the group that helped slaughter my fore fathers, the indians, as buffalo soldiers. So does that mean I should hold a grudge, get pissed off, start a seperate pagent, TV network? Of course it doesn’t.

We need to think instead about what makes us alike, how we are all the same and not how we are different. People like Jackson, Sharpton, and Malcolm X do none of us any favors. My brother-in-law grew up in the most violent part of Philadelphia and now makes 6 figures working part of the year in Saudia Arabia as an advisor. He is a black man the can’t stand all the whining.

Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes it is a country, sometimes it is just part of the system. When it is over then it is time to move on. I have moved on, my brother-in-law has moved on and it is time we move on as individuals and as a country.

Compared to when I was a kid there is no racism left in most of the country. Sure there are hold outs and some idiots will always exist as they have since the dawn of time. If we give them less notice they will fade away, if we enforce the laws we have they will be crushed under the weight of the legal system.

Let us all face it, there are plenty of lazy blacks, lazy whites, lazy arabs, lazy asians, lazy hispanics, lazy indians, just lazy people. Yet there are a lot of people that are not lazy. We don’t want to penalize the hard working people for the ones that don’t want to get off the couch.

Most taxes don’t do much for us. We need a very strong national defence, great roads, good educationa system, (which we don’t have right now) and little else. We don’t need more taxes, we need less spending. Most of our taxes goes to crap better left to the private sector. We don’t need universal health care, we need fewer lawyers suing everybodie’s ass off. There isn’t one program that is being propose that we need. What we all need is some personal responsibilty then we will see change.

So I don’t think anyone here is trying to rain on anyone’s parade it is just hard to put good thought in a succinct manner in just a few words.

So let’s all concentrate on how we have a lot more commonality and less on how we have differences and things will be better for all of us in this fine world we have to share.

Chris

And we have a new development. It seems that John McCain owns 7 houses, which in some sense could make him one of us (RE Investors). NObama owns 1, with an attached lot purchased at a steep discount from his good friend Tony Rezko, a convicted felon and political fixer. Tony was even present at his house closing. Birds of a feather…

Anthony - Rezko wasn’t a CONVICTED felon at the time. Just because he hadn’t yet been convicted didn’t mean he wasn’t a felon.

As Dave says, “Birds of a feather…”

I remember the Keaing Five. One republican and 4 democrats censured for their actions. Bob Bennett ( a democrat) , the special prosecuter on that case, and later Bill Clintons lawyer, admitted on TV a few nights ago that John McCain was the only one that should be exonerated from any wrong doing in the Keating Five. He also said the censure was politically motivated againist John McCain and should not have taken place. That’s Clinton’s lawyer admitting McCain did nothing wrong.

Hell, I own 12 houses and have owned and sold another 82, but all my dealings have been above board. No felons, no sweet deals.

The Keating 5 have nothing to do with this election. The investigations showed that McCain did nothing improper. Keating broke the law, and was sentenced to prison, but was not dealt with harshly enough, IMO. It’s too bad his assets weren’t seized, too. Rezko as a friend and supporter of NO-bama does have something to do with the election. The gift of cheap land from a person seeking political favors looks corrupt. Conveniently, Rezko’s sentencing was pushed back a month, after the convention. You’re clearly not from Chicago, Anthony. For along time, Rezko has been known as a political fixer. He is NOT just a nice guy helping out a friend.

NO-bama said he didn’t want this election to be about experience, he wanted it to be about judgment. Gotta tell you, Anthony, his judgment is f***ed. William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the list goes on…), the whole inflated tire idiocy, and his recent fawning over the Chinese infrastructure while their citizens starve and abort baby girls. He holds that up as a standard for our country. Remember, he voted for (one of the few bills he ever voted for or against, 128 times in IL he voted present–a sign of NO BALLS) after-birth abortions. You can have any opinion about abortion you like, but after it’s been born, the baby is no threat to the mother. That’s called infanticide, my friend. We can argue about the time of conception, but after it’s born, it’s here, my man, and it’s a person. He voted to allow doctors to kill them even then. So, Barry NO-bama, let’s talk about your f***ing judgment.

Vee,
Take your cranky pill today? I understand politics will do that to a person.

I have a question for you why is it that mostly Obama supporters bring up race? It isn’t McCain supporters that keep bringing it up. Are we being all painted as racist?

My next question is what about Biden, what kind of experience or knowledge does he bring? Sound like he has the same as McCain?

Just some questions, for you or anyone else that feels like answering them.

Chris

Bryan, you wanted me to cite facts. First let me point out that I was being polite, but I will dispense with that since you did not take my advice and do some research. Bryan, pointing to a video you made telling a lie is NOT a cite, it is an example of circular “logic”. Let me give you a cite.

“I’ll eliminate capital gain taxes for small and start-up businesses.” Barack Obama “realtor Magazine” September, 2008. The same statement is on The web site of Barack Obama and was before your video was shown and the first post in this thread was made. Real estate investors are small businesses. Your entire video was wrong, and filled with errors. YOU gave no cites, and said it was not political. Of COURSE it was political. You could not respond to the FACTS I presented that are solid facts from the GAO, the department of Labor, and other federal agencies. The fact that the economy for the ENTIRE 20th century did much better, not a slight amount, but a huge amount better, with a member of the Democratic party as President speaks for itself. You can support whomever you like, but you can’t do it based upon economics.

Again, I ask you to do some research.

Research? I didn’t refer you to my video. I referred you to the video of Obama acknowledging he’d double capital gains taxes despite the harm to the economy. I acknowledge my reference may have been unclear. So in case it’s difficult for you to find, here it is:

Problematic, don’t you think? There he is in the video saying he’d double capital gains taxes with no better justification than “reasons of fairness”. Now I don’t really know if your citation in Realtor Magazine is accurate. I guess we need to determine which Barrack Obama we’ll believe before we can have a debate about his positions, since he clearly isn’t sure of them himself. — Bryan Ellis

Keith let me define a century for you. It is 100 years. Look it up in the dictionary. As for your point of the Clinton years the Democratic Party had a majority in 1993 and they raised taxes on the upper 5% of tax payers by 3% and cut taxes for the middle class. The republicans screamed, cried and proclaimed it would lead us into not a recession, but a depression larger the the great depression. This was passed without a single republican vote. It lead to the best economy this country has ever seen. And when w came into office the failed policies of reagonomics was tried again with the same results. The rich got richer and everyone else got poorer. The taxes on the rich went down, and the taxes on the bottom 90% went up. So Keith, stop with party spin, look at history.

Wow!!! That video ahows Obamas lack of economic sense. Even faced twice with the facts that lowering capital gains increases revenue to the govt. he defended his “raise taxes” position.

Think about this: even if you raise taxes on only the “rich” it always costs the “poor” more money. Companies, small businesses, rich owners don’t really pay the increased tax. It is passed on to the consumer as a price hike in the goods or services they offer.

Another point. The dems know a lower tax rate is good for the country. My economics professor (a democrat, and member of the Chicago FRB) circa 1978, admitted to me in private that tax hikes are used more to control society than they are used to increase revenue. That’s straight out of Karl Marx’s playbook.

If the dems, and Obama, really want fairness in the tax arena they need to get behind abolishing the current tax system and pass a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Rate” system that takes away the controlling factor they thrive on.

Some interesting comments about both candidates here. As for own concerns, I am really tired of the same old mud-slinging contest that goes on with every election. My own preference relates mainly to who has the capability and integrity to lead. I don’t believe McCain or good old Uncle George can even spell the word let alone have any use for it. George Bush has proven to a nation that he is a total fool who will lie about anything and not even try to explain when a room full of third graders could tell when he is playing them or trying to.

Michael, thanks for pointing that out. We need to see comparisons like that. I still don’t think some people get it and probably never will. As for Larry, you say in Obama’s example that 50 people made an average of 580,000,000.00 and paid only 15% tax on that money. If my calculations are correct that means they collectively paid 87,000,000.00 in taxes. If they all made the same cut ,each person would gross 11,600,000.00. That would be 1,740,000.00 per person in taxes. Just how much do you think more do you think is “Fair” Why would you risk your money in hedge funds and not want to keep what you earned off of that investment. Keep in mind that you could just as easily lose all that money too. I don’t get why everyone gets so jealous if someone makes money and then wants to just take it from them. The point here would be moot if “The Fair Tax” were already in place. We would all be paying our Fair Share so to speak. If any of you on this blog has not read The Fair Tax Books I urge you to do so. Just to see for yourselves if such a system would work. I tend to think it would. Before you say anything ,No I haven’t read them myself but would like too. But I really can’t afford to buy them. I might be able to if I could bring home my Whole Paycheck.lol Just a thought.

No use using facts, figures, logic or reason when talking to “JoeBama” supporters. It’s all emotion with them.

As far as capability, Obama has never owned, run or managed anything so how can he run this country. He showed his integrity when he voted against the “Child Protection Act” in Illinois, 3 times, then told reporters it was because of the wording. Funny about that, he was on the comittee that wrote the words he was against.

Chris I was not figuring 50 people at 87,000,000.00 each. That was 87,000,000.00 between them. They each would pay 1,740,000.00 in taxes. That is still quite enough in taxes. Don’t you think?

Well said Chris. I keep hearing the liberals telling us about how the big oil profits are up and blaming the republicans on the gas prices yet wants us to limit off shore drilling and keep us from drilling in Anwar. They tell us that how the right gives tax breaks to the rich. The tax laws are there for everyone to use. I am actually tired of both parties partisianship and no one wants to do what is right for this country to move forward. I do agree with Chris that I am tired of the government taking more of my money and giving handouts to people who refuse to fend for themselves. The libs also don’t want to talk about how the government puts $.22 of tax on a gallon of gas for doing nothing. McCain wanted to put a temporary stop to that tax for people.
Let’s face it, our political system has been broke for years and neither side will give in and help the people in this country. When the rich control the law making side of this country, and I mean white, black, brown and whoever else is elected, they will make laws that help them and their cronies. Why do you think that we don’t have a flat tax law or term limits for senators? That woudl hurt them. I mean both sides not just libs. I am a conservative and am not afraid to say it. I don’t like the democratic platform and what they stand for.
I am also tired of some of the people on this blog saying we won’t vote for Obama because we are afraid of putting a black man in office. Stop already. It is not about his race it is about what his views are. I happened to vote for Alan Keyes twice and if he was the nominee he wold have my vote. Give me a black man that I think would do a great job and I would vote for him. It is not Obama.
Let’s face it, no matter how we present our side here, no one is going to change another ones mind on this blog. It has gotten to name calling, race and whatever else it led to. That is what politics do. I am sure Bryan knew that when he opened this up it would revert to this. I respect your choice of candidate and the way you are going to vote. Please respect mine without name calling. You can state all the facts and numbers you want and I can find some that support mine. It won’t change a vote that we believe in. I am thankful though for a country that I can state my views and vote for who I want without having to be afraid of stating those views. We all should be thankful for that.

Every time I listen to Obama I am reminded why I stopped working for the DNC. What a bunch of idiots and shame on me for ever supporting them through my efforts.

What is it about most politicians and especially liberals that make them immune to the cold hard facts? Why is it every time they are presented with an absolute fact they say “well maybe that happened every time before but this time it won’t happen that way”?

I just don’t get it and sure don’t understand people whom only want to talk out of both sides of their face.

I am getting to like McCain more and more!! I don’t always agree with him but at least he has some ethics and moral character. Obama doesn’t have either and one more question. What is his wife so damn angry about? She hasn’t had it any rougher than many in this country but she is an angry woman, why?

Chris

Greg and others,

I understand your frustration and it saddens me because our government also understands it. They want it, they need it, they create as much of it as they can!!

Now before anyone goes off of the deep end let us look at some facts of history. Yes, history the great teacher.

All governments are started to further someone’s agenda. Some agendas are more noble than others yet all of them eventually fail. It has always been because they lost sight of their original purpose. They all did this by weakening their original creeds, be they a creed of well being or a creed of conquest.

Ours was started to give us all more free choice than what we had under the King. Freedom to worship as we choose, freedom to not be taxed excessively, freedom to protect ourselves from the government. The problem all governments have is the same, the people working for the government. Be they the politicians or the buzzing bees under them.

As soon as the government gets started it starts going to hell in a hand basket. They want to survive above all else and unlike those of us the private sector, they have the power to sustain themselves.

They do this by making themselves bigger and bigger and bigger. By taking more and more freedom from all of us so we can not be a threat to their way of life. As time goes on the disconnect becomes larger and larger until we are faced with what we have now.

As individuals we can quickly come to some rational decisions about what our society needs. We need good schools, the government states it takes a study and more money to give us good schools. Not true go to any private school and look at their cost per student, makes you kind of sick seeing how we are lied to.

We need better health care and they are the only ones who can provide it. Better roads, better air, better this and better that, yet tell me one program running well or at a good cost. None exist because of one thing and one thing only. They have no accountablity!!

Now the powers that be say, “well you can vote us out”. The answer is maybe and then sometimes not at all. You certainly have to bear with them for a long time to find out how much truth they actually had in their speeches. In the mean time they pass laws making it even harder to find out what they are doing, even harder to speak out against them, even more depressing to vote for anything.

The government officials work very hard to disinterest us in actually voting. The amount of time devouted to stacking the deck against the populus is frightening, most behind closed doors by people you wouldn’t want your children or loved ones anywhere near.

If any of the govenment people really wanted to make our country stronger, better and our country an even happier place to be, the spending would go down, entitlements would become a thing of the past and everyone would be treated the same, private and government both. As you can see that is not going to happen.

I only see more class warfare talk taking place, more division between government employees and private employees and more talk of they need to take care of us, because we don’t know how.

Words are cheap, actions are strong and I see nothing about real change except making government bigger. As it becomes more, we become less, just something to feed the machine.

Chris

Well said Chris and I 2nd what Bill said also. We are in decline as a nation from both parties. The last good Dem in my book was JFK which was more moderate than any Dem today. We forget that LBJ took social security out of the private funds where it was doing well, and put it in general funds to help pay for Vietnam. I mentioned before that no nation has withstood two competing cultures. History proves that. We are now becoming two cultures with the hispanics wanting us to learn spanish and our government catering to the illegals because they want votes. I am not against anyone coming here wanting a better life. Just do it legally and learn our language. This is the United States of America wher our language is English. I see all these protestors saying the illegals have rights when Sheriff Joe goes out. He is doing his job in arresting people breaking the law. We have politicians saying he is wrong in doing his job and we need to leave these illegals alone. Why so they can start taking over our country like they are now.
We need to take back our country before it is too late if it already isn’t. The dems will lead us down the road to destruction sooner if they get in. We need a leader who will stop catering to all these other countries and start putting the U.S. first. If we don’t who knows how long we have left.

Ron Paul does have a lot of good points going for him. I’m probably a Libertarian at heart myself. But, any vote that is not cast to keep Obama out of the whiteHouse, is a wasted vote.

Kalimah,
Bold words that don’t refer to anything except your own prejiduce. It would be interesting to have something to understand where you are coming from.

I see very few racist comments in these posts. If you are disgusted that is your privilege in this country, it would seem that you come from a very repressed environment.

As for having others that look like me I guess you didn’t grow up in this country. Unless you mean most of my peers when I grew up with had one head, two arms and two legs. Well even that doesn’t really work as many of my peers didn’t have two arms or two legs. That what happens when you grow up in a farm community.

So clue us in or guit make such nasty statements with no foundation in fact.

Chris