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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan even though Im a Democrat which seems to be somewhat taboo on most investing blogs I agree that we should just let these institutions fail. This bailout mess just continues the path this country is on where nobody is to blame for their own actions. Now the clowns in my party are wanting to add credit card relief to Bush&#039;s bailout plan . 
Everyone wants to lay blame on one party or the other but we are all to blame for this debacle. Without a doubt the beginnings of this mess started during the Clinton administration when derivitives became the rage on wall street and congress chose to let this new investment vehicle be self regulated , but remember it was Newt Gingrichs group who swept into congress and created a Republican majority that chose not to regulate this new investment vehicle. They also advocated deregulation in most all other areas which created the California energy crisis and an 80 percent increase in my energy costs in Maryland. Free markets only work when there is somebody watching otherwise greed takes over . Both parties and their constituents got fat watching the boom in the RE market and like any boom we all knew that there would be a bust , but now our government has decided to save everybody no matter how stupid your financial decisions were. 
For all you folks who think Obama wants to make this a socialist country if he gets elected  you can stop worrying about that now because with all these government bailouts we have already jumped the broom with socialism so you better get used to the government running your affairs for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan even though Im a Democrat which seems to be somewhat taboo on most investing blogs I agree that we should just let these institutions fail. This bailout mess just continues the path this country is on where nobody is to blame for their own actions. Now the clowns in my party are wanting to add credit card relief to Bush&#8217;s bailout plan .<br />
Everyone wants to lay blame on one party or the other but we are all to blame for this debacle. Without a doubt the beginnings of this mess started during the Clinton administration when derivitives became the rage on wall street and congress chose to let this new investment vehicle be self regulated , but remember it was Newt Gingrichs group who swept into congress and created a Republican majority that chose not to regulate this new investment vehicle. They also advocated deregulation in most all other areas which created the California energy crisis and an 80 percent increase in my energy costs in Maryland. Free markets only work when there is somebody watching otherwise greed takes over . Both parties and their constituents got fat watching the boom in the RE market and like any boom we all knew that there would be a bust , but now our government has decided to save everybody no matter how stupid your financial decisions were.<br />
For all you folks who think Obama wants to make this a socialist country if he gets elected  you can stop worrying about that now because with all these government bailouts we have already jumped the broom with socialism so you better get used to the government running your affairs for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Boomershine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Boomershine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Bryan and his readers all should be commended for insightful coverage and discourse of this lamentable situation.
Bravo/a.

While I too am fundamentally opposed to the bailouts, (many of which, if we&#039;re totally honest, would more aptly be called &quot;takeovers,&quot;&quot; it doesn&#039;t seem to me that in the eleventh hour of the crisis, there was much alternative. 

While the earlier post about FDR&#039;s approach to economic crisis in his presidency was insightful, Hoover&#039;s initial, laissez-faire approach to the crash is widely thought to have made a bad situation worse -- and not just for the bankers and speculators -- but for the entire nation.

At the time, FDR was called a socialist for his reforms, but in retrospect, do we regard him as such? Doesn&#039;t the socialist model require redistribution of profits as well as risks and losses? Does anyone see the taxpayers -- or the masses -- receiving any sort of redistribution of wealth as a result of this crisis? In terms of historic paradigms, this falls closer to the definition of fascism to me. 

Given our protections under the U.S. Constitution, I lack confidence that some of these seemingly arbitrary, last-ditch efforts on the part of the Fed to stem Wall Street&#039;s bleeding are  legal because they appear to exceed the Fed&#039;s Constitutional authority, however &quot;necessary.&quot;

Where was the Fed before last week? Sleeping off a regulatory coma? How can we expect meaningful reforms when the rules and regs we have, however antiquated they may be, aren&#039;t enforced?

By taking over these businesses, the Fed is becoming a player in fields it knows nothing about. Once the Fed warehouses all the bad paper, its attempts to sell off trillions in debt likely will be so mired in red tape that it&#039;ll take a financial eternity to get it all sorted out. And what will happen to the dollar in the meantime? As the dollar declines, consumer prices rise and the job markets shrink, it seems likely that foreclosures could continue at a disruptive pace.

I&#039;ve followed many of the recent developments in state legislative policy that are designed to curtail the businesses of real estate investors. Some of the changes are reasonable, but others seem to target us as scapegoats for the crisis. In the wake of all this economic hardship, state and federal legislators, who clearly lack a solid understanding of how this business works, are likely to proffer even more restrictions at a time when the nation and the economy really need us most to expedite the recovery process.

At the same time, who&#039;s going to get the leading role in squeezing some liquid out of this financial dung heap?

No one can yet say for certain. But on March 24, I blogged about an interesting development we&#039;ve heard little about since the initial press release announcement. Here is a :

&quot;Money management firm BlackRock Inc., and hedge fund Highfields Capital Management are backing a new firm that will buy up distressed mortgages, betting that investors are ready to snap up bargains in the beaten down sector. 

&quot;The new company, Private National Mortgage Acceptance Company, which will be known as PennyMac, plans to raise capital from private investors and will help borrowers restructure loans to avoid foreclosure. Penny Mac will star Stanford Kurland, who spent 27 years at mortgage giant Countrywide Financial Corp., as its chief executive officer and Morgan Stanley global residential mortgage veteran David Spector as its chief investment officer.&quot;

The next update on Penny Mac came from Housing wire and a blurb in the Wall Street Journal I covered on July 9:

&quot;Penny Mac currently has $2 billion in its “war chest” to buy discounted, distressed mortgages, and will fund its own in-house servicing platform. in May, Penny Mac backer Black Rock reportedly negotiated a deal to buy $15 billion in subprime mortgage exposure from UBS, the Swiss bank that has been floundering since its boom-time tango with Countrywide Financial and other problematic U.S. lenders.&quot;

It&#039;ll be interesting, to see what role Penny Mac plays in the migation of losses its leaders worked so hard to generate before either loosing their jobs or moving on their own volition to even greener pastures. 

As FDR said, &quot;All we have to fear is fear itself.&quot; Indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Bryan and his readers all should be commended for insightful coverage and discourse of this lamentable situation.<br />
Bravo/a.</p>
<p>While I too am fundamentally opposed to the bailouts, (many of which, if we&#8217;re totally honest, would more aptly be called &#8220;takeovers,&#8221;" it doesn&#8217;t seem to me that in the eleventh hour of the crisis, there was much alternative. </p>
<p>While the earlier post about FDR&#8217;s approach to economic crisis in his presidency was insightful, Hoover&#8217;s initial, laissez-faire approach to the crash is widely thought to have made a bad situation worse &#8212; and not just for the bankers and speculators &#8212; but for the entire nation.</p>
<p>At the time, FDR was called a socialist for his reforms, but in retrospect, do we regard him as such? Doesn&#8217;t the socialist model require redistribution of profits as well as risks and losses? Does anyone see the taxpayers &#8212; or the masses &#8212; receiving any sort of redistribution of wealth as a result of this crisis? In terms of historic paradigms, this falls closer to the definition of fascism to me. </p>
<p>Given our protections under the U.S. Constitution, I lack confidence that some of these seemingly arbitrary, last-ditch efforts on the part of the Fed to stem Wall Street&#8217;s bleeding are  legal because they appear to exceed the Fed&#8217;s Constitutional authority, however &#8220;necessary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where was the Fed before last week? Sleeping off a regulatory coma? How can we expect meaningful reforms when the rules and regs we have, however antiquated they may be, aren&#8217;t enforced?</p>
<p>By taking over these businesses, the Fed is becoming a player in fields it knows nothing about. Once the Fed warehouses all the bad paper, its attempts to sell off trillions in debt likely will be so mired in red tape that it&#8217;ll take a financial eternity to get it all sorted out. And what will happen to the dollar in the meantime? As the dollar declines, consumer prices rise and the job markets shrink, it seems likely that foreclosures could continue at a disruptive pace.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve followed many of the recent developments in state legislative policy that are designed to curtail the businesses of real estate investors. Some of the changes are reasonable, but others seem to target us as scapegoats for the crisis. In the wake of all this economic hardship, state and federal legislators, who clearly lack a solid understanding of how this business works, are likely to proffer even more restrictions at a time when the nation and the economy really need us most to expedite the recovery process.</p>
<p>At the same time, who&#8217;s going to get the leading role in squeezing some liquid out of this financial dung heap?</p>
<p>No one can yet say for certain. But on March 24, I blogged about an interesting development we&#8217;ve heard little about since the initial press release announcement. Here is a :</p>
<p>&#8220;Money management firm BlackRock Inc., and hedge fund Highfields Capital Management are backing a new firm that will buy up distressed mortgages, betting that investors are ready to snap up bargains in the beaten down sector. </p>
<p>&#8220;The new company, Private National Mortgage Acceptance Company, which will be known as PennyMac, plans to raise capital from private investors and will help borrowers restructure loans to avoid foreclosure. Penny Mac will star Stanford Kurland, who spent 27 years at mortgage giant Countrywide Financial Corp., as its chief executive officer and Morgan Stanley global residential mortgage veteran David Spector as its chief investment officer.&#8221;</p>
<p>The next update on Penny Mac came from Housing wire and a blurb in the Wall Street Journal I covered on July 9:</p>
<p>&#8220;Penny Mac currently has $2 billion in its “war chest” to buy discounted, distressed mortgages, and will fund its own in-house servicing platform. in May, Penny Mac backer Black Rock reportedly negotiated a deal to buy $15 billion in subprime mortgage exposure from UBS, the Swiss bank that has been floundering since its boom-time tango with Countrywide Financial and other problematic U.S. lenders.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting, to see what role Penny Mac plays in the migation of losses its leaders worked so hard to generate before either loosing their jobs or moving on their own volition to even greener pastures. </p>
<p>As FDR said, &#8220;All we have to fear is fear itself.&#8221; Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cola Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cola Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan,

Good RTC2 points. I hope that the government put aside its interests long enough to attempt to do RTC2 correctly from a fairness and efficiency angle. 

As to how we got to this point...
After years of anti-free market activity or partially deregulated activity a crisis always seems inevitable. It always seems a bit humorous to me that we then hear &quot;the question&quot;, &quot;OK all you smart free market guys how ya gonna fix this one?&quot; Cute, but it smacks of insincerity and lack of a full understanding of how we got stuck in oncoming traffic. A legitimate free market where parties know there is no such fiction as &quot;too big to fail&quot; eliminates a lot of stupid behavior. While free markets are not perfect it is my estimation that it would likely prevent a multi-trillion dollar crisis.

It is my understanding that the California electricity crisis came from deregulating one side of the supply/demand equation. I heard suggestions that the CA crisis was proof that &quot;deregulation&quot; doesn&#039;t work. Seems more like our elected officials don&#039;t work but I suppose they have a lot of us convinced it is truly &quot;rocket science&quot;. If we are talking about successful central planning by the government I would agree it is truly &quot;rocket science&quot; and we need some benevolent geniuses. Or we could give actual free markets a try.

Should GSEs be a taxpayer liability while not permitting the taxpayer to share in the profits? It appears our elected believe so. I am not so sure that &quot;for the common good&quot; is working well in our time of need.

Here&#039;s hoping the government takes advantages of the readily available free-market resources to help resolve the crisis. I believe Investors can and should play a significant role in getting us back to some feeling of market comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan,</p>
<p>Good RTC2 points. I hope that the government put aside its interests long enough to attempt to do RTC2 correctly from a fairness and efficiency angle. </p>
<p>As to how we got to this point&#8230;<br />
After years of anti-free market activity or partially deregulated activity a crisis always seems inevitable. It always seems a bit humorous to me that we then hear &#8220;the question&#8221;, &#8220;OK all you smart free market guys how ya gonna fix this one?&#8221; Cute, but it smacks of insincerity and lack of a full understanding of how we got stuck in oncoming traffic. A legitimate free market where parties know there is no such fiction as &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; eliminates a lot of stupid behavior. While free markets are not perfect it is my estimation that it would likely prevent a multi-trillion dollar crisis.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that the California electricity crisis came from deregulating one side of the supply/demand equation. I heard suggestions that the CA crisis was proof that &#8220;deregulation&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work. Seems more like our elected officials don&#8217;t work but I suppose they have a lot of us convinced it is truly &#8220;rocket science&#8221;. If we are talking about successful central planning by the government I would agree it is truly &#8220;rocket science&#8221; and we need some benevolent geniuses. Or we could give actual free markets a try.</p>
<p>Should GSEs be a taxpayer liability while not permitting the taxpayer to share in the profits? It appears our elected believe so. I am not so sure that &#8220;for the common good&#8221; is working well in our time of need.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping the government takes advantages of the readily available free-market resources to help resolve the crisis. I believe Investors can and should play a significant role in getting us back to some feeling of market comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caitlyn you have an amazing knack for only reading the cover of the book. To state that small investors were the reason for the run-up in RE values is not just oversimplification but really very ignorant. On the one hand small investors like my neighbor who bought three over valued properties as investments then ended up losing them to forclosure were certainly part of the problem but the forces behind her decisions were the true culprit. It was absolutely ridiculous that a single mother and small business owner of modest means was able to get damn near a million bucks in loans on houses that needed work. It was also criminal in my opinion how she was essentially tricked into believing that everything would work out fine once she rented the properties to cover the mortgages which were all arms that reset in 2 years . She believed like many new homeowners that prices would continue to go up indefinately and she would be able to refinance because thats what her broker told her. There were other factors involved but the bottom line is that if it wasnt for the unscrupulous lending practices that became the norm a few years ago she would have been turned away at the bank because she just couldnt afford it. Lending to everybody and anybody that could sign their name was what caused the run-up not small investors .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caitlyn you have an amazing knack for only reading the cover of the book. To state that small investors were the reason for the run-up in RE values is not just oversimplification but really very ignorant. On the one hand small investors like my neighbor who bought three over valued properties as investments then ended up losing them to forclosure were certainly part of the problem but the forces behind her decisions were the true culprit. It was absolutely ridiculous that a single mother and small business owner of modest means was able to get damn near a million bucks in loans on houses that needed work. It was also criminal in my opinion how she was essentially tricked into believing that everything would work out fine once she rented the properties to cover the mortgages which were all arms that reset in 2 years . She believed like many new homeowners that prices would continue to go up indefinately and she would be able to refinance because thats what her broker told her. There were other factors involved but the bottom line is that if it wasnt for the unscrupulous lending practices that became the norm a few years ago she would have been turned away at the bank because she just couldnt afford it. Lending to everybody and anybody that could sign their name was what caused the run-up not small investors .</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan,
  I agree with you.  The government, who is using my money to do this, should make these lenders hurt and they should not be allowed to buy back any of these properties.  While more and more states are putting laws in place to make doing business more difficult for the small investor just trying to make a living, they need to put more restrictions on these lending practices that got us into this mess.  Why is it always that they go after the little guy for their scape goat.  I know that we do have some investors that take advantage of people, especially in the mess we have now, but the majority are investors that have very high ethics and truly want to help people. 
   the government needs to start looking at the people such as the ceo&#039;s of these company&#039;s that are raking in the millions while they watch their company and investors go down in flames.  let&#039;s hold them accountable.  Where is the accountability here.  By our government continuing to bail out these company&#039;s without any accountability then this will continue to happen.  
   Our country will never be defeated militarily but we can be taken down economically.  China already owns a big part of the U.S.  We need to hold people accountable for the way they do business and then when their company fails they take their millions and skate.  I don&#039;t have answers but we all need to be aware of what is going on in the U.S. before its too late</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan,<br />
  I agree with you.  The government, who is using my money to do this, should make these lenders hurt and they should not be allowed to buy back any of these properties.  While more and more states are putting laws in place to make doing business more difficult for the small investor just trying to make a living, they need to put more restrictions on these lending practices that got us into this mess.  Why is it always that they go after the little guy for their scape goat.  I know that we do have some investors that take advantage of people, especially in the mess we have now, but the majority are investors that have very high ethics and truly want to help people.<br />
   the government needs to start looking at the people such as the ceo&#8217;s of these company&#8217;s that are raking in the millions while they watch their company and investors go down in flames.  let&#8217;s hold them accountable.  Where is the accountability here.  By our government continuing to bail out these company&#8217;s without any accountability then this will continue to happen.<br />
   Our country will never be defeated militarily but we can be taken down economically.  China already owns a big part of the U.S.  We need to hold people accountable for the way they do business and then when their company fails they take their millions and skate.  I don&#8217;t have answers but we all need to be aware of what is going on in the U.S. before its too late</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When FDR got the government to stick it&#039;s nose in a recession, we got the Great Depression, and only got out of it because of WW II. I see the same thing happening, thanks to the less-than-conservative,politicing George Bush and the rest of the beltway elitist socialists. If my taxes are going to be wasted this way and if the government buys at a low price, then I expect a fire sale for investors so that profits can be made and the money made back. This should only be a one-time-only deal, and those(democrats)responsible for this need to be taken to task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When FDR got the government to stick it&#8217;s nose in a recession, we got the Great Depression, and only got out of it because of WW II. I see the same thing happening, thanks to the less-than-conservative,politicing George Bush and the rest of the beltway elitist socialists. If my taxes are going to be wasted this way and if the government buys at a low price, then I expect a fire sale for investors so that profits can be made and the money made back. This should only be a one-time-only deal, and those(democrats)responsible for this need to be taken to task.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan
You make perfect sense. Actually the homeowner whose loan is being sold (not investor loans) should receive the discount to their outstanding balance. That would be fair, bailing the bank in the way it will probably work is not fair to the individual. This time the government should help the homeowner/tax payer directly, not the corporate banking system directly.
Jim Hough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan<br />
You make perfect sense. Actually the homeowner whose loan is being sold (not investor loans) should receive the discount to their outstanding balance. That would be fair, bailing the bank in the way it will probably work is not fair to the individual. This time the government should help the homeowner/tax payer directly, not the corporate banking system directly.<br />
Jim Hough</p>
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